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Student developers were polled via 80 spring 2016 hackathons to asses how they feel about their career options. Some of the key finding were:
- 83% of students said they were looking for fulfilling careers, rather than simply for jobs.
- Students plan to stay an average of 2.9 years at their first full-time job.
- Students predict that they'll stay at later jobs for 5 years on average.
- Students expect to earn between $70–150K right out of school.
Details of the Devpost study can be found here.
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(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 19 2016, @04:39PM
People on this board are saying instead that they should learn a trade.
You know what? We can't all be tradesmen anymore than we can all be computer programmers.
What we have in the US is a *general* lack of jobs that have some security and decent pay. I am all for people doing whatever works for them, but nobody on this website has come up with a real answer.
I agree though that people studying a techie field should be aware of ghe disposable nature of their skills. Hot today, worn-out and kicked-out in 5 years. You end up re-applying for the same job as your younger and cheaper competitors. There is no job security in tech and experience is generally not valued. Hell, ability to speak or write English is barely required. Think of it as a modelling job for ugly people.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by bzipitidoo on Thursday May 19 2016, @05:55PM
On the one hand, the US has an income inequality problem. On the other. the US lifestyle is very costly. There's considerable social pressure and marketing trickery to spend, spend, spend. Marketing is all to happy to tell us there's an expensive solution for our every problem. A typical American house is a horrendous money pit. They seem designed to be 10 times more costly to build and own than necessary, what with things like unnecessarily intricate rooflines, purely for appearances, interior spaces with ledges 15 feet above the floor so one needs a ladder to reach it for cleaning (or hire a cleaning service, ka-ching!), and casually slapping the outdoor A/C unit any old place such as the south or west sides of the house where it is exposed to full sunlight in the afternoon, the peak demand times for A/C. And they have to be big, really big, bigger than the Joneses' house. They could be built to require far less heating, cooling, and maintenance, and without much changing the cost. A real simple change would be not making the house sprawl. Standards have improved over the years, but slowly. Lawn care is another racket. Then there's the car. It costs big time to own, drive, and refuel a car, but our suburban sprawl so is amazingly hostile to any other form of transportation that it is near impossible to live without them.
To pay for all this, may need more than one job. Then, because the adults are all too busy with full time jobs to mind the home and family, may have to pay for maid service, baby sitting or day care service, lawn care service, and so on. It's nuts.
(Score: 2) by GungnirSniper on Thursday May 19 2016, @07:19PM
If we hadn't squandered the peace dividend on adventurism against Saddam's secular Iraq and stopped being World Police we'd have money for improvements at home.
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(Score: 2) by BK on Thursday May 19 2016, @08:50PM
The what? Whatever you think that is, it really is just an illusion and always was.
...but you HAVE heard of me.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 19 2016, @05:55PM
I agree with you, we cannot have 50 million plumbers or welders. And of course these threads always devolve into some sort of philosophical debate about the future, so here we go:
The future with current economic system in tact can only survive with one of two possibilities:
1) We redefine Full time to less hours, and increase OT pay such that you will have to hire more people instead of using OT. This of course can accelerate the jobs leaving the country, so similarly there would have to be a quota on number of employees not in the country.
2) We accept part of our population will never be employed, and go with either a massive basic income, or have some sort of a feudal system where the people working have a bunch of serfs each doing petty work for their lord and master in order to have food and a place to live...
Either way, in the face of eternal surplus will will eventually have to do away with currency, as currency is the greatest invention known to men for distribution of limited resources. When the limit is removed, currency is useless and causes more problems than is worth.
(Score: 2) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Thursday May 19 2016, @07:16PM
Some [soylentnews.org] on this board feel that the best solution to the problem that I know about [soylentnews.org] is "know fallacy" (I think they were mis-using the term in that post).
Sure they won't get $70-150K/year out to school, but they can still put food on the table while looking for their fulling career. I strongly suspect there will still be demand for jobs, because most geeks are not that interested in the business side of things.
The big unknown for basic income for me is how many people will be happy to just game all day instead of doing something (I perceive to be) more useful? I have a feeling people won't be doing "nothing". Doing nothing leads to boredom, which can lead to violence/property destruction.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 19 2016, @07:49PM
It's even uglier than that. You get people living in what amounts to penury, making poor economic choices on top of that, with vast amounts of time on their hands - it breeds a criminal underclass, angry and resentful of people who have more despite punitive taxes paying for the money they're getting for free.
But that's OK. It's still better than the alternative.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 19 2016, @10:40PM
It's a free agent economy and most folks aren't used to that. A substantial portion of everyone's time has to be devoted to skills training, and possibly education (formal or self study) for not only their current gig, not only their next gig, but looking ahead as many as 10-15 years.
Those who don't do that are like the ones who have the opportunity to contribute to a 401K, but don't. Eventually they'll wish they had.
(Score: 2) by snufu on Friday May 20 2016, @02:06AM
Public office?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 24 2016, @06:15AM
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