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Student developers were polled via 80 spring 2016 hackathons to asses how they feel about their career options. Some of the key finding were:
- 83% of students said they were looking for fulfilling careers, rather than simply for jobs.
- Students plan to stay an average of 2.9 years at their first full-time job.
- Students predict that they'll stay at later jobs for 5 years on average.
- Students expect to earn between $70–150K right out of school.
Details of the Devpost study can be found here.
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(Score: 4, Insightful) by CHK6 on Thursday May 19 2016, @05:00PM
If I could do it all over again I would have been a dentist or an orthodontist. Reason is as a developer, IT ops, admin, etc. etc... I find that my competition is far more vast than localized specialized competition to that of dentists. Dentists compete in roughly 50 mile radius of their practice. Where as those in the technology field compete locally and globally for their jobs depending on the company. In the mid-80's all of the adults were telling me "the future is in computers kid." What they didn't know was software and services delivered on/by computers could be shipped around the world at ZERO cost. And then there is the "old-fart" mantra in the space of technology. Instead of seeing experience as an asset in technology jobs, it's seen as outdated skills. Where as something like dentistry you want someone with a ton of experience and seen it all. So not only do we compete globally for jobs we compete across age boundaries too. I've seen the books and for my base salary I make up the cost for 5-7 experienced India workers or 3-4 fresh out of college US/CN workers. Then look at the recruitment sites; many times it's laughable. Either what they want is so specialized on technology that only fortune 100 companies could afford and train on or they are looking for skill sets that are so broad and vast it's impossible to have a cumulative of 40+ years experience.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 19 2016, @05:36PM
Don't forget that dentist offices are usually smaller outfits and the people hiring actually know what they are hiring for. For example, my employer is looking for someone with 5-10 years of experience with Docker. Not even the core devs have that!
(Score: 3, Interesting) by SanityCheck on Thursday May 19 2016, @05:47PM
What a bunch of fuckin retards. I don't know if funny is the appropriate mod :(
Thou I can say sometimes HR will ask me "What type of skills you are looking for" and I'll say things like "A little bit of knowledge in X,Y,Z, good knowledge of A and B" and I can almost see how they translate "little bit of knowledge" to "1-3 years of experience" because they don't know how to write anything else. And I can see how they translate "good knowledge of" to "5-10 years of experience in." They don't realize that if I wanted "5-10 years of experience" I would say to them "5-10 years of experience."
(Score: 2) by JNCF on Thursday May 19 2016, @05:41PM
If I could do it all over again I would have been a dentist or an orthodontist.
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(Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Thursday May 19 2016, @06:18PM
experience and age are valued. At least I hope so.
I spent six years trying to find a job as a mobile developer. Got lots of interviews but as soon as they looked at me in person, the interview sounded like they were trying to find reasons not to hire me.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 19 2016, @07:28PM
I wish you luck with that. I am going to the middle stack (C#, SQL). A couple of guys I worked with are doing the same as you embedded drivers. They have been looking for 6 months. Where you are at it is probably much easier for that sort of job. Where they are? Not so much and they are unwilling to move.
Have you considered windows drivers? I bet it is finiky enough but with a good amount of computers out there it could be worth doing? Or both?
(Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Sunday May 22 2016, @06:30AM
I do not presently have enough expertise for Windows drivers, but I do know there is a huge demand for windows drivers developers.
I'm able to get Mac OS X driver gigs because no one else does them. Or rather, everyone who does, works for Apple.
As for your friends - tell them I did just fine doing embedded work remotely. That's actually quite common, I think maybe more common than remote work for other kinds of coding.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 19 2016, @08:53PM
It's a good plan. You're right about experience and age, or at least they won't mind it. (can't get 30 years experience from a 22-year-old)
Factory automation ought to work for you. If you can find a defense contractor that won't expect you to get a clearance, that would be excellent. The innards of machinery ought to work for you.
(Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Sunday May 22 2016, @06:33AM
All I was told is that the primary contractor worked for "The Client". The Client wanted "The Boards" from the primary contractor. I did a completely unclassified subcomponent whose mil-spec you can FTP from an Air Force base.
I speculate I know who The Client is. I won't say, because then The Client would have me sent to GitMo.
There's lots of defense industry in the Portland/Vancouver area, for example Sikorsky makes helicopter interiors here. It's just that those folks don't advertise on Craig's List.
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(Score: 2) by bitstream on Friday May 20 2016, @12:14AM
If you are so good why don't you start a company and out compete this dead fish just existing because no one has given them real competition?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 20 2016, @02:15AM
Mid-90s, I got the first wiff Machintosh (was never a computer nerd) and realized my degree (graphic design) was about worthless. I could see all print and layout going to computer systems soon enough, so I had spent the last few years learning a dead skill.
Quite right there.
Spent the next ten years rebuild my savings, and armed with a BLS forecast for the next decade, picked a job I could afford the schooling for that still had good prospects: nursing.
When I hear how disconnected new graduates are from reality, and especially with the student debit crisis looming (let's wreck the economy again for your unrealistic expectations) ; I'm in favor of executing them in the street :)