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According to many Metallica devotees, the official version of the band's 2008 record Death Magnetic is not the one worth listening to. Upon the album's release, fan forums exploded in disgust, choked with complaints that the songs sounded shrill, distorted, ear-splitting. These listeners liked the music and the songwriting, but everything was so loud they couldn't really hear anything. There was no nuance. Their ears hurt. And these are Metallica fans—people ostensibly undeterred by extremity. But this was too much.
The consensus seemed to be that Death Magnetic was a good record that sounded like shit. That the whole thing was drastically over-compressed, eliminating any sort of dynamic range. That it had been ruined in mastering. Eventually, more than 12,000 fans signed a petition in protest of the "unlistenable" product, and a mass mail-back-a-thon of CDs commenced. The whole episode provoked a series of questions, not just about what had gone wrong with Death Magnetic but about the craft in question: What is mastering, exactly? How does it work? Beyond the engineers themselves, almost no one seems to know.
An article on sound engineering, but the real question is, people listened to Metallica after 2000?
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Alfred on Tuesday May 24 2016, @09:44PM
Some things are just important. When people like to emphasize important things they can use many tools like inflection, word choice, pause, cadence, crescendo, decrescendo, rhyme and sometimes raw volume. With music you also have the instruments and their interactions like chord structure and progression to work with. Dissonance can quickly grab attention. You must select things to emphasize over the rest because if you emphasize everything, you emphasize nothing.
The brain trust referred to as Metallica knew where their work stands in comparison to all of recorded music and in the scope of recorded music their greatness had to be emphasized, all of it. Obviously Metallica could only use volume, because CDs cannot transmit things like words or the nuances of 24 bit screaming, and they used volume right up to the limits of the 44100Hz/16 bit medium and everything of their greatness had to be emphasized. If you doubt this then you just couldn't understand art or music to begin with let alone the gods of music led by Lars Forgothisname.
They probably just thought everyone would pirate the 24 bit recordings they were listening to in the studio on napster and failed to properly take into account the medium they were going to sell. /sarc But really, like the TFS referred to, who would want to listen to Metallica? That is all true but really who would want to listen to Metallica
(Score: 5, Informative) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Tuesday May 24 2016, @10:04PM
CD-Quality audio, properly mastered, exceeds the human ear's capabilities by a comfortable margin.
"HD audio" is essentially a scam. You get some benefit mixing at 24bits per sample, but you won't get better reproduction in the 20-20kHZ range with a higher sample rate (by Nyquist's Theorem). In fact, because the equipment can no longer safely filter out ultrasonics, you may get more noise at a higher sample rate.
(Score: 3, Informative) by slinches on Tuesday May 24 2016, @10:30PM
CD Audio at 44kHz and 16 bits is just barely above the theoretical minimums required to cover normal human hearing ranges. So it is adequate iff the available dynamic range is used to the fullest and the proper signal conditioning is done using higher sample rates and bit depths prior to the final downsample. So, while you are technically correct that a CD can contain an audibly identical representation, masters will often sound better anyway due to the mastering engineer placing a higher value on volume than perfect reproduction of the master (aka, the "loudness wars").
(Score: 2) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Tuesday May 24 2016, @10:49PM
Every stereo made in the last century has had a volume control.
I think a "loudness" button is common too, but may have fallen out of favour due to the loudness wars.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by slinches on Wednesday May 25 2016, @12:15AM
Yes, true. But the volume control doesn't help remove distortion caused by the waveform on the CD itself being clipped. The distortion is being introduced before it even gets to the amplifier in that case.
(Score: 2) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Wednesday May 25 2016, @02:11AM
The dynamic range on a CD is large enough that that should not happen with a competent sound engineer unless the distortion is intended.
Did you notice, on the DR site somebody else linked, that some vinyl albums had more dynamic range than CD releases?
That is not due to any technical limitation of the medium.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 25 2016, @02:28AM
I've noticed that CDs aren't able to deliver a brass section the way vinyl does. Vinyl can make you swoon; with CDs, you're still fiddling with your phone or whatever else is at hand.
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Wednesday May 25 2016, @07:32AM
Did you transfer than vinyl track to CD using good audio equipment? No? Then how can you know that it was the physical limitations of the CD, and not the mastering?
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 25 2016, @12:27PM
I gave away (sold to a used vendor for a song) my vinyl collection years ago, and have replaced a few of my favorites with CDs (purchased, not hand transfers). There have been disappointments. I suppose it could've been the work of indifferent audio engineers doing the remaster.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 25 2016, @12:41PM
(part 2) Here's one:
https://vimeo.com/19195708 [vimeo.com]
Around 1:21 the brass behind Sonny Stitt moves to the foreground. The guy who posted it obviously chose vimeo over youtube for a reason, although I get a choppy download because of my limited ISP bandwidth.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 24 2016, @11:01PM
masters will often sound better anyway due to the mastering engineer placing a higher value on volume
This is why god created the volume knob and high efficiency speakers.
At best, you could make the argument that 24/192 is more forgiving with digital filters.
In practice, there are far more compromises throughout the audio chain for it any improvement to be realized.
CD audio is near perfect for consumer reproduction.
(Score: 2) by slinches on Wednesday May 25 2016, @12:20AM
I agree. Tell that to the mastering engineers. They're the only ones who can control whether the full dynamic range capabilities of CD Audio are actually used or not.
Like I said before, it's not that the format isn't capable, it's that it isn't currently being used to its full potential.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Alfred on Wednesday May 25 2016, @02:04PM
Nyquist is about being able to detect a signal at all. Nyquist says you need double the sample rate of the frequency of the signal to be detected. Everyone knows that.
What is usually skipped over:
*The phase difference between the signal and the sampling will directly affect the amplitude of the measurement. An exactly out of phase sampling will give you 0 amplitude or read as no signal when there could be a very large signal.
*For reproduction, a nyquist sampling of a signal can playback the same if the original signal was a square, sine or triangle input. This loses the musical nature of the signal because those sure as hell sound different in real life.
*Nyquist is F*2, you will also have signals at F+1, F+2, F+3...those signals will still show up and be manifest in the measurements. The beats phenomenon will be present but you are able to determine the presence of a frequency beyond what Nyquist says is possible. F-1, F-2, F-3... signals which are within the Nyquist rate will also be detectable but also with the same beats problems as the F+1 series. Though Nyqusit says those frequencies are detectable they are not detectable consistently well. The best signal capture is having a sample rate several times higher than the frequency to be measured, then you can have an idea of the shape of the wave too. Not always important but it is impotent to music.
*Nyquist is theoretically correct for detecting signals but it is also theoretically horrible for music signals. If all you have is one clean predictable signal then Nyquist is useful for knowing how crappy your gear can be and still kinda work. Nyquist is not so useful for many signals near the same frequency, or when there are overtones above the fundamental, or just many different frequencies at the same time.
Other comments:
*Internal processing of a signal in a mixer or DAW or other should always be several bits greater than the AD or DA conversion depth. Early digital reverb effects units suffered from not having enough internal resolution when the signal faded out or was otherwise quieter. The reverb tails would sound like they had a noise gate on them.
*Yes HD audio is a scam. A recording will benefit more from good mic placement upfront than with bit depth added later. Mic placement should not be a problem in a pro studio though.
*"Safely filter out"?? Mybe you can restate but those aren't signal I consider unsafe. I don't consider filtering the signals an unsafe act either. I think just about all AD converters have an analog filter stage before the conversion.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Wednesday May 25 2016, @03:24PM
Nyquist's theorem assumes infinite samples and an accurate clock. As long as the signal is not at exactly at 1/2 of the sampling rate, the phase will drift.
Every wave can be broken down into frequency components (with a Fourrier Transform) that are pure sine waves. A square wave is a sine wave with odd harmonics, for example. Nyquist's theorem requires that the input signal be bandwidth limited. That means that for example, any square wave will have rounded corners as the higher frequency harmonics are filtered out.
Yes, you are supposed to filter those out with a low-pass filter. That may be what you are getting at in your overall comment. No (physical) filter is perfect, so there is some benefit to a higher sample rate: just to make sure any unfiltered higher frequency components don't cause the problems you mention.
Maybe I misunderstand the design of "HD audio" equipment. If you can reproduce frequencies up to 96Hz, you can almost fit an FM stereo broadcast in the pass-band. A wider pass-band means that you are processing information that can't be heard anyway. If ultrasonics get into the signal, it may cause problems with equipment not designed to handle it. It can also be used for "traitor tracing" by embedding extra information during playback.
If "HD audio" is still using a pass-band of 20Hz-20kHz, then I suppose to only real problem is the waste of bandwidth (which may actually be a feature if you want to discourage lossless copying).
BTW, I agree extra bit depth is beneficial for processing.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by bzipitidoo on Tuesday May 24 2016, @10:08PM
I've heard of Metallica so often I thought I'd try listening to something of theirs, if, that is, they hadn't succeeded at erasing themselves from existence on the free parts of the Internet. Sure wasn't going to pay for mystery music. I don't recall which songs I found, but they sounded horrible.
There's a reason I never hear them on the radio. What kind of stations play them?
(Score: 2) by Magic Oddball on Wednesday May 25 2016, @04:44AM
What kind of stations play [Metallica]?
I periodically hear their songs on the classic rock stations I listen to.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday May 25 2016, @11:22AM
Isn't that funny? They protected their content so assiduously they have vanished from the world. That is, they totally alienated their fan base during the Napster episode, and having kept their tracks out of the ways that today's kids hear and appreciate new music, Metallica has guaranteed they will never win new fans. I can only imagine that the only people who might still listen to that band would be 50-yr old masochists.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday May 25 2016, @11:26AM
It also reminds me of a parallel in Disney, which steadfastly refused to offer its content on Netflix and Amazon Prime. Result: the new generation of kids don't really know who Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck are, and what's more, don't care. That means they also don't care to pester their parents for Disney merchandise or take them to Disneyland.
Yeah they bribed Congress into extending copyright 100 years, but that's 95 years past the point at which anybody will give a hoot.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by https on Wednesday May 25 2016, @01:50AM
You're already at -1, so I can't push this comment lower, but I can correct the blatantly wrong data. CD Audio is 16 bits [wikipedia.org] per channel. Hint: look at upper right sidebar on linked page.
Offended and laughing about it.
(Score: 1) by Ambient Sheep on Wednesday May 25 2016, @03:45AM
I thought that at first too, but if you read the rest of his comment, it's clear that was just a brainfart in his opening line -- he goes onto mention that CDs are only 16-bits a couple of times...
(Score: 2) by Alfred on Wednesday May 25 2016, @01:28PM
(Score: 1) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Wednesday May 25 2016, @03:34PM
I kinda suspected that (at least after re-reading it) actually.