The spreading of systemd continues, now actively pushed by themselves unto other projects, like tmux:
"With systemd 230 we switched to a default in which user processes started as part of a login session are terminated when the session exists (KillUserProcesses=yes).
[...] Unfortunately this means starting tmux in the usual way is not effective, because it will be killed upon logout."
It seems methods already in use (daemon, nohup) are not good for them, so handling of processes after logout has to change at their request and as how they say. They don't even engange into a discussion about the general issue, but just pop up with the "solution". And what's the "reason" all this started rolling? dbus & GNOME coders can't do a clean logout so it must be handled for them.
Just a "concidence" systemd came to the rescue and every other project like screen or wget will require changes too, or new shims like a nohup will need to be coded just in case you want to use with a non changed program. Users can probably burn all the now obsolete UNIX books. The systemd configuration becomes more like a fake option, as if you don't use it you run into the poorly programmed apps for the time being, and if they ever get fixed, the new policy has been forced into more targets.
Seen at lobsters 1 & 2 where some BSD people look pissed at best. Red Hat, please, just fork and do you own thing, leaving the rest of us in peace. Debian et al, wake up before RH signed RPMs become a hard dependency.
(Score: 2) by Unixnut on Monday May 30 2016, @12:51PM
That works on the pretext that Devuan does not become large enough to be self sustaining. If Debian does go down to "SystemD or the highway" model, and if enough people want to avoid SystemD, I can imagine that Devuan gets big enough to keep on going without Debian.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 30 2016, @03:41PM
Yeah, I expect Linux to essentially hard-fork into two separate operating systems you could call Linux-done-right and Poetterix.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by srobert on Monday May 30 2016, @03:59PM
If Linux were "done right" it would be FreeBSD.
(Score: 2) by Unixnut on Monday May 30 2016, @07:14PM
So... GNU/Linux, and SystemD/Linux :)
I would be fine with that personally, along with Android/Linux, and the other versions. That was there is no more confusion over what is "Linux" and which way is right, etc...
Let each version exist, name it clearly but with a way of distinguishing between them (including that they are not interoperable with each other), and everyone can move on. It is like a repeat of the Unix Fragmentation in the 70s-80s, but with all source code GPLed, so if enough people want to put in the coding effort, you can port apps and other bits between them.
My main concern is that SystemD/Linux will start depending on binary blobs, which may break things in future. As long as the Kernel stays core to all 3 OSes, then binary blobs like the Nvidia Drivers will work on all of them, so a win win for all.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 31 2016, @06:40AM
Is this concern based on anything related to reality?
Or is it just you making random stuff up?