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posted by cmn32480 on Monday May 30 2016, @06:44AM   Printer-friendly
from the fed-up-with-the-UNIX-take-over dept.

The spreading of systemd continues, now actively pushed by themselves unto other projects, like tmux:

"With systemd 230 we switched to a default in which user processes started as part of a login session are terminated when the session exists (KillUserProcesses=yes).

[...] Unfortunately this means starting tmux in the usual way is not effective, because it will be killed upon logout."

It seems methods already in use (daemon, nohup) are not good for them, so handling of processes after logout has to change at their request and as how they say. They don't even engange into a discussion about the general issue, but just pop up with the "solution". And what's the "reason" all this started rolling? dbus & GNOME coders can't do a clean logout so it must be handled for them.

Just a "concidence" systemd came to the rescue and every other project like screen or wget will require changes too, or new shims like a nohup will need to be coded just in case you want to use with a non changed program. Users can probably burn all the now obsolete UNIX books. The systemd configuration becomes more like a fake option, as if you don't use it you run into the poorly programmed apps for the time being, and if they ever get fixed, the new policy has been forced into more targets.

Seen at lobsters 1 & 2 where some BSD people look pissed at best. Red Hat, please, just fork and do you own thing, leaving the rest of us in peace. Debian et al, wake up before RH signed RPMs become a hard dependency.


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  • (Score: 2) by Marand on Tuesday May 31 2016, @03:50AM

    by Marand (1081) on Tuesday May 31 2016, @03:50AM (#352916) Journal

    Follow up:

    Looks like logind will still screw with processes even without the init part running, so if you have systemd-logind running at all -- a lot of desktop stuff requires it now thanks to systemd's creeping nature -- you'll need to change /etc/systemd/logind.conf as mentioned in my above comment. That, or switch to a window manager that doesn't use any of it, which should still be possible in Debian.

    So, you still have to watch out for this specific issue even with an alternate init, but the general point still stands: it's fixable, hopefully your distro of choice will revert to the sane option, and if your distro hasn't completely eliminated non-systemd inits, you can swap to another init and then purge the other systemd parts if you desire.

    I've had my issues with the init part, which is why I don't use it, but I gave the other portions of it a chance; so far, this is the first time the non-init parts have caused any real issue for me. It's definitely worrying but at least it's still adjustable. Heh.

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