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posted by cmn32480 on Monday May 30 2016, @06:44AM   Printer-friendly
from the fed-up-with-the-UNIX-take-over dept.

The spreading of systemd continues, now actively pushed by themselves unto other projects, like tmux:

"With systemd 230 we switched to a default in which user processes started as part of a login session are terminated when the session exists (KillUserProcesses=yes).

[...] Unfortunately this means starting tmux in the usual way is not effective, because it will be killed upon logout."

It seems methods already in use (daemon, nohup) are not good for them, so handling of processes after logout has to change at their request and as how they say. They don't even engange into a discussion about the general issue, but just pop up with the "solution". And what's the "reason" all this started rolling? dbus & GNOME coders can't do a clean logout so it must be handled for them.

Just a "concidence" systemd came to the rescue and every other project like screen or wget will require changes too, or new shims like a nohup will need to be coded just in case you want to use with a non changed program. Users can probably burn all the now obsolete UNIX books. The systemd configuration becomes more like a fake option, as if you don't use it you run into the poorly programmed apps for the time being, and if they ever get fixed, the new policy has been forced into more targets.

Seen at lobsters 1 & 2 where some BSD people look pissed at best. Red Hat, please, just fork and do you own thing, leaving the rest of us in peace. Debian et al, wake up before RH signed RPMs become a hard dependency.


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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 31 2016, @10:15AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 31 2016, @10:15AM (#353003)

    Sigh.

    See. Therein lies the problem.

    So-called? Really? Likely this philosophy is older than you. The least you could do is show some respect.

    Look, you write like you are part of the systemd crew, or are on their bandwagon, in the thick of the glorious revolution. I invite you to step outside and join us in the ditches at the coalface. Yes, the work can be messy. It can smell. Oh can it reek. It can be fun. But by whatever deity or whatever binds your sanity together I strongly suggest you never say these things in an actual work place in front of people who have to wake up at 3am in the morning and fix whatever system screwup occured.

    You think scripts are nasty. Sigh. Have you had a job maintaining hundreds of servers across sites spanning cities? Have you ever encountered just even one of the omfg what the heck caused this type of problem with managers standing around talking about uptime and money? Do you have two decades experience administrating servers and applications? Can you appreciate a well configured environment that you walk away from at 6pm knowing that at 8am it will be running fine just like it was when you left?

    Because it does not sound like it.

    Consider this. The next time someone expresses a dislike of systemd it may not be solely due to their philosophy. It may be because in the hard cold world we inhabit anything that makes life worse is not worth suffering through. Like being woken up at 3am.

    Perhaps you have this type of experience and simply enjoy pain. I certainly do not. Nor does any admin I know, even the bastards. Something all good admins have in common is the driving need for the system to be up and available. If you cannot see this or seriously disagree then perhaps you are in the wrong profession.

    OTOH feel free to learn this the hard way. Get a job as a linux sysadmin for a large company. Have your say. Make your opinion heard. See what happens.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 31 2016, @11:24AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 31 2016, @11:24AM (#353015)

    Fucking fans. Spectators. Free to say anything they like. Never actually get dirty.

    A long post which could better have been: Get off my lawn!