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posted by cmn32480 on Monday May 30 2016, @06:44AM   Printer-friendly
from the fed-up-with-the-UNIX-take-over dept.

The spreading of systemd continues, now actively pushed by themselves unto other projects, like tmux:

"With systemd 230 we switched to a default in which user processes started as part of a login session are terminated when the session exists (KillUserProcesses=yes).

[...] Unfortunately this means starting tmux in the usual way is not effective, because it will be killed upon logout."

It seems methods already in use (daemon, nohup) are not good for them, so handling of processes after logout has to change at their request and as how they say. They don't even engange into a discussion about the general issue, but just pop up with the "solution". And what's the "reason" all this started rolling? dbus & GNOME coders can't do a clean logout so it must be handled for them.

Just a "concidence" systemd came to the rescue and every other project like screen or wget will require changes too, or new shims like a nohup will need to be coded just in case you want to use with a non changed program. Users can probably burn all the now obsolete UNIX books. The systemd configuration becomes more like a fake option, as if you don't use it you run into the poorly programmed apps for the time being, and if they ever get fixed, the new policy has been forced into more targets.

Seen at lobsters 1 & 2 where some BSD people look pissed at best. Red Hat, please, just fork and do you own thing, leaving the rest of us in peace. Debian et al, wake up before RH signed RPMs become a hard dependency.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by sjames on Tuesday May 31 2016, @05:58PM

    by sjames (2882) on Tuesday May 31 2016, @05:58PM (#353139) Journal

    There may be some nice features to systemd, but the price is orders of magnitude too high. There are just too many ways to get the same value without the abominable hairball. And certainly without using the abominable hairball as a coercive tool to keep competing ideas out.

    I'm guessing by bitchers and whiners, you mean anyone who declined the cool aid.

    Have a look at tmux and the well established existing mechanism and API for terminating user processes on logoff. Now USE IT. Tell Gnome to fix their code rather than screwing everyone else over so they can paper over their bugs.

    Funny, they have been shown the code and still aren't interested. Guess I was right about the cool aid thing.

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