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Devuan, the once devil-may-care total fork of Debian, once linked to virulent internet sexism and gamer-gate affiliated image forums by Debian Developer Russel Coker, has mulled the option of enacting a Code of Conduct when one of its female members was insulted:
> https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-25/?page=2
>jaromil today i was scrolling through http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_...
>golinux Well, I tried but couldn't find anybody. Then nextime popped up
>jaromil jeez. we need to take precautions. and also I get the point from Sarah Mei we need a code of conduct on-line and later for on-site http://www.sarahmei.com/blog/2015/02/01/the-fos...
> its never too early for that
>
>golinux One can only control one's own actions. ;)
>
>jaromil ah the wise one
...
>Wizzup he is doxed?
>jaromil that's him. we have a dossier yes
Devuan has been criticized for taking a "who gives a damn" and "real admins do it all by hand themselves every install" attitude towards security hardening scripts, and despise in particular any mention of the "bastille" linux hardening script (originally funded by Mandrake Linux).
Interestingly when Devuan was forming, the people behind Devuan cited the very person they are considering making the code of conduct against:
> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20141027
>VUA: It will be a governing body that puts the benefits of the users first, not the mystification of a "doacracy" delivering all the power to the package maintainers.
>Originally, Debian was created as a universal operating system for the users. The Free Software movement itself is there to defend users' rights. Sgryphon explains it well in this thread. ( http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=3031 )
>We will likely reproduce the governing body of Debian to follow its original mandate, with the advantage of starting small and more focused, hopefully with less pressure from the interest of commercial developers.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by garrulus on Wednesday June 01 2016, @03:17PM
they will get SJW'd if they do, and automatically turn back into debillian.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 01 2016, @04:32PM
The problem with debian is not 'SJW', it's systemd.
besides, all I saw in the links which actually pertained to Devuan was just the banning of an asshole from a chat. I.E. a non story.
(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Wednesday June 01 2016, @06:02PM
Then perhaps it's best called systemSJW'd.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 01 2016, @05:24PM
In the adult world it is assumed that people can manage their own behavior and act somewhat professionally / civilly. Personal attacks of any sort are frowned upon. Pretty much every community online and off have some code of conduct The ones that don't are just one asshat away from creating one.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 01 2016, @05:41PM
Indeed but for most of the world it's called "common courtesy" instead of a codified CoC. No law/regulation was ever written that wasn't immediately abused and this applies doubly to CoCs. Common law and likewise common courtesy do not have this problem.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 01 2016, @06:09PM
Yeah that's what I was going for, and pointed out that creating CoCs is a result of repeated (generally) poor behavior. The CoC is then something that anyone can point to and say "knock it off or you'll get banned / whatever". Not everyone knows what common courtesy is...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 01 2016, @11:38PM
They know, they just don't care or want attention. You don't need a CoC to tell someone to GTFO for being an asshat, you just do it.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday June 01 2016, @06:14PM
The ones that don't are just one asshat away from creating one.
I don't understand why people in theoretical positions of power in the 2010s are so cucked. In "the old days" admins had ways of dealing with asshats. Its my server, my way, or the highway. When your login is "root" or admin then you'll make the decisions and judgment calls about your server.
One of the many virtues of authoritarianism, or agency, or whatever you want to call it, is you don't need to hide behind paperwork when wielding the banhammer. Especially when you're fighting a whopping one individual person.
Dude was a jerk, rambling about off topic babble, non-cucked admin shoulda swung the banhammer, done. No need for ridiculous theoretical CoC arguments.
Don't even need to apply the banhammer, a culture of authority means things don't have to get ridiculously out of hand prior to some admin worthy of the position pointing out "... and going forward you'll behave on my property ..." problem solved.
The problem with cowardice as a policy is it never really ends. "boo hoo I have no agency to do anything without some 3rd party approved paperwork" means you simply don't belong in a position of power, not brave enough. What is the real title of a position of authority if the leader has no authority or power or judgment? Its just very strange.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by tangomargarine on Wednesday June 01 2016, @06:35PM
I don't understand why people in theoretical positions of power in the 2010s are so cucked.
I don't understand why people keep using the word "cuck" in different contexts and expect us to know what they mean.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2) by chromas on Thursday June 02 2016, @03:31AM
Short for cuckold. Effectively, people using the word are saying the subject is so brow-beaten by his wife/girlfriend that she'll fuck other guys in front of him because he's not man enough to satisfy her, and she's probably just using him as a cash dispenser (as opposed to the more 'proper' usage in which he wants to watch).
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday June 02 2016, @01:56PM
I'm familiar with the term "cuckold" but people keep using it in political contexts. Or is it just a more highbrow way of saying "his penis isn't big enough"?
I'm basically allergic to anyone using "patriotism" or "party unity" or "not being a pussy" as an argument in a political context. If you don't have any better argument than that, you have no argument at all, and in fact I'm likely to default to the side of whatever you're arguing against.
(the rhetorical "you")
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 1) by r1348 on Thursday June 02 2016, @12:54AM
Giving so much arbitrary power to an admin, means your community is one bad admin away from dissolving. Giving that in community projects like most Linux distros there's more at stake than plain good behavior, a set of objective rules is advisable.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 02 2016, @07:14AM
Are there more at stake at one distro than there is on LKML? Or have we just forgotten the concept of choosing the projects where we mostly agree with the person in control?
Personally I've had more luck with Linux and Slackware than I've had with any of the "committee"-based projects.
(Score: 2) by mojo chan on Thursday June 02 2016, @08:54AM
It's because we went from it being one person and their small personal project to vast collaborative efforts involving hundreds or thousands of contributors, and millions of users. With very few exceptions, the dictator model doesn't work for large open source projects.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
(Score: 3, Insightful) by VLM on Thursday June 02 2016, @12:13PM
The problem with that otherwise mostly correct interpretation is we're talking about an IRC channel with like 5 participants and one is a jerk.
If you're admin of a 5000 person email list, that's different than a 5 person IRC channel. When you have 10 admins and 9 admins agree 1 admin is a jerk, that can be fixed.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 01 2016, @06:58PM
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face, forever: https://theoreticalideations.com/ [theoreticalideations.com]
Just read the insipid writings of this cretin.