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Devuan, the once devil-may-care total fork of Debian, once linked to virulent internet sexism and gamer-gate affiliated image forums by Debian Developer Russel Coker, has mulled the option of enacting a Code of Conduct when one of its female members was insulted:
> https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-25/?page=2
>jaromil today i was scrolling through http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_...
>golinux Well, I tried but couldn't find anybody. Then nextime popped up
>jaromil jeez. we need to take precautions. and also I get the point from Sarah Mei we need a code of conduct on-line and later for on-site http://www.sarahmei.com/blog/2015/02/01/the-fos...
> its never too early for that
>
>golinux One can only control one's own actions. ;)
>
>jaromil ah the wise one
...
>Wizzup he is doxed?
>jaromil that's him. we have a dossier yes
Devuan has been criticized for taking a "who gives a damn" and "real admins do it all by hand themselves every install" attitude towards security hardening scripts, and despise in particular any mention of the "bastille" linux hardening script (originally funded by Mandrake Linux).
Interestingly when Devuan was forming, the people behind Devuan cited the very person they are considering making the code of conduct against:
> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20141027
>VUA: It will be a governing body that puts the benefits of the users first, not the mystification of a "doacracy" delivering all the power to the package maintainers.
>Originally, Debian was created as a universal operating system for the users. The Free Software movement itself is there to defend users' rights. Sgryphon explains it well in this thread. ( http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=3031 )
>We will likely reproduce the governing body of Debian to follow its original mandate, with the advantage of starting small and more focused, hopefully with less pressure from the interest of commercial developers.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 01 2016, @03:46PM
The hell you say. If you can't take the heat, male or female, fuck right off out of the kitchen. You want respect, earn it by fighting back instead of whining like a little bitch.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Flamebait) by http on Wednesday June 01 2016, @04:41PM
I don't know why you refuse to see that women are treated horribly (by design) and experience society differently as a result. Women get placed into orgainizational situations where there is not only heat, but threat or actuality of co-ordinated social and physical attack for no other reason than not being male. Suggesting that they have to be battle hardened MMA champions or expert defense lawyers, on top of being productive go-getters, just to participate... you're a jerk in favour of an evil status quo.
I browse at -1 when I have mod points. It's unsettling.
(Score: 4, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 01 2016, @04:57PM
No, sweety, women are simply abused as women because it gets under their skin. Men take no less abuse but it has to come in other forms because we are proud of our gender; and we still don't cry about it. If women want respect from men, they have to be something men can respect. They have to earn it.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 01 2016, @05:48PM
Men take no less abuse
This is false. A simple search [duckduckgo.com] finds a lot of studies on the topic of varying quality, although they all determine that women are harassed more. The clearest one is this study [umd.edu] which created new usernames for the study and found that female-named users got an order of magnitude more harassing messages.
Harassment of men happens but on nowhere near the same scale as harassment of women.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 01 2016, @05:56PM
The more nuanced picture is that men are harassed more overall, but women receive more sexual/gendered harassment. So men and women experience harassment differently. Most of those studies focus on sexual harassment only, which is why they erroneously conclude women suffer more.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/10/22/pew_online_harassment_study_men_are_called_names_women_are_stalked_and_sexually.html [slate.com]
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/04/men-are-harassed-more-than-women-online.html [thedailybeast.com]
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 01 2016, @05:58PM
Hi, you must be new to the Internet. Welcome aboard. Expect regular harassment when you do something stupid like you just did. Dumbass.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by letssee on Wednesday June 01 2016, @06:36PM
Considering you sig is a sausagefest, I think there is some confirmation bias at play in your worldview. :-)
I don't know if you have any female friends, but if you do you should ask them about it. Women get harassed a lot more than men.
Some women object, others don't care. You don't notice it, because you're not a woman walking down the street alone.
How often in you live have you been groped and/or slapped on the butt in your life? Now go and ask your female friends, their 'score' will probably be higher.
I don't blame you. It took me some time to accept it. I did not want my world to be that way. But it is, and we should try to fix that.
Of course that will attract some powerhungry whiners. They are everywhere. However, that should not stop us to try and make our wolrd a better place for everybody.
(Score: 2) by jdavidb on Wednesday June 01 2016, @08:47PM
ⓋⒶ☮✝🕊 Secession is the right of all sentient beings
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 01 2016, @10:17PM
OMG this, this, this! ^
It's so easy to ignore a problem when it doesn't happen to you. When people accuse you, Runaway, of "male privilege," this is what they mean: men are not, in the main (i.e., not institutionally) subject to this sort of behavior. It happens, but it's not on a society-wide scale. Not that that makes it okay when it does happen of course, but it's not men who are told to travel in groups and watch their clothing and avoid the opposite sex. It's not a lifestyle-shaping factor for men.
This is a pervasive problem and most of the time we don't talk about it. Why? Because we get responses ranging from "Not a big deal, no harm no foul" to "Boys will be boys" to my favorite "Well, you must have done something to provoke it." Really? I dress modestly, my boots make metallic noises when they hit the ground toe-first, and people STILL try this crap with me. No other behavior problem--or crime--is given this kind of latitude.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 01 2016, @11:01PM
My sig's a quote from a cartoon. Get you some perspective.
No, they do not. Well unless you only count harassment with a sexual tone. Read the rest of the comments, studies have already been pointed out and linked.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by letssee on Thursday June 02 2016, @06:12AM
Of course your sig is a joke. But using this quote as a sig, and not another, means it resonates with you. So it does say something about you.
There are studies which prove women don't get harassed as often as man? Hahaha! I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.
(Score: 1) by letssee on Thursday June 02 2016, @06:28AM
Oops, screwed up a sentence there. I meant to say:
"There are studies proving women don't get harassed more than men?"
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday June 02 2016, @10:14AM
If you're really interested in the backstory, watch Undergrads. It's pretty hilarious. Many a good, quotable moment like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-AvqBMjsUs [youtube.com]
Yeah, it's nifty how people will believe what they want contrary to facts being presented to them.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by letssee on Thursday June 02 2016, @11:27AM
It's funny how I was thinking the *exact* same thing about you :-)
I blame google's search bubble.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday June 02 2016, @12:50PM
You've been given studies that debunk the utter hell out of the studies you're relying on for your opinion and you've submitted none that debunk those studies. Who's got the confirmation bias again?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by letssee on Thursday June 02 2016, @02:59PM
I think the main reason that we can't agree is that you seem to be talking about 'online only'. Where there are indeed some studies to backup your viewpoint, though if I look through duckduckgo's results it's really all over the place, with some studies saying it's about equal and some studies saying women get a lot more.
I'm talking (mainly) about real life events, where catcalling and buttpinching are apparently considered 'normal'.
I blame the confusing summary, which smushed together a few unrelated links.
btw, I don't get why you are so irate. I'm trying to have a civilized discussion here, no need to start swearing.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday June 02 2016, @03:17PM
I'm not, that's just how I speak in non-professional venues. Both online and off.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by http on Wednesday June 08 2016, @05:46AM
Undergrads, yeah, know the reference and wish I didn't. Sexual harrassment of women as a requirement for entry into a fraternity? Such hilarity.
There's a reason people are frequently attacking what you write concerning women: you're saying indefensible shit. Please, do yourself and everyone else a favour and stick to coding the website only. You're good at that, and it lets the adults talk.
I browse at -1 when I have mod points. It's unsettling.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 08 2016, @10:08AM
Do huh? A) Rocko was hazing himself because he's an idiot. B) Nitz was a man not a woman.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 01 2016, @09:33PM
Pretty interesting search terms you use. When using the string "harassment men women" gives a very different view:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=harassment+men+women&ia=news [duckduckgo.com]
(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 01 2016, @05:16PM
I don't know why you refuse to see that women are treated horribly (by design) and experience society differently as a result.
Because that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Women are (in the west) the political, social, and economic equals of men. There are some places in the world that still desperately need feminism, but not the USA.
Women even have some unique, unearned, privileges and protections carved out for for them such as preferential treatment in family and divorce courts, protection of bodily integrity, and a virtual monopoly on domestic violence resources despite making up nearly half of abusers themselves per the CDC (http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-victims-of-partner-abuse/)
(Score: 2) by edIII on Wednesday June 01 2016, @07:28PM
You're suffering from our shit- doesn't-stink-syndrome, as well as those who've moderated you "informative".
Then you're deliberately ignoring the evidence all around you.
If you mean I can't take a small girl and chop off her clitoris, then yes protections exist. If you're speaking about the right of a woman over her own body, I suggest you expose yourself to the Republican party where a woman's body is subject to God's law, and by extension, the laws that Republicans pass.
A woman's bodily autonomy is not respected in the U.S., and assertions to the contrary are inane. At most you could say that women have some very hard fought for autonomy in certain places in the U.S, but only after all the red tape and bureaucracy designed to obfuscate and hamper their abilities to enjoy it. You only need to look at Texas with a single abortion clinic left about to close over regulatory burdens purely designed to close the facilities, not engender a woman's bodily autonomy. Texas doesn't give a shit about a woman's bodily autonomy. So even where women are allegedly protected by laws, there isn't a whole lot of respect for women. At least not ideologically, and only in a begrudging fashion, which is the only way to explain the Republican party's entire attitude towards women and minorities.
Hardly unique, I'm sure other countries have family courts. Likewise, it's hardly unearned either, as they never had to earn it. Family courts tend to side with the mothers as a cultural predilection towards child rearing (the man earns the money,the woman takes care of the children), not that the mother is automatically correct. That's hard to say it isn't earned, as tens of thousands of years of human existence has attested that women are fairly good at the raising of children. As somebody who's had experience with this (numerous friends and family), the courts do not provide unearned protections and privileges towards women. Often we can see the children placed with the father, even though the mother is actually best suited. You're just plain wrong about family courts, they are not unfairly sided towards women, and there are plenty of examples of both genders being treated unfairly at one point or another. That shouldn't surprise you since not all fathers and mothers are equally suited towards child rearing.
I highly doubt the numbers in whatever article you've provided, but as somebody with experience in outreach programs, you're full of shit. We don't have enough domestic violence resources as I'm having problems placing a lady right now. The reason why it is not as geared towards men? Men have all the money and power typically in these relationships, and where abused, have far greater abilities to leave and still provide for themselves. After all, if the paycheck follows them.....
It's rare to see a man abused that is forced to stay with his abuser in order to maintain a standard of living. In most cases the man chooses to stay over egotistical notions that they're the man and they should, instead of telling that bitch to pack up and leave (or the man packing up and leaving her). It's ridiculously common for women to not have a choice and the lady I was trying to help is back at home with her abuser precisely because of a dearth of domestic violence resources in my region. I just don't have, or have even heard of, a single male requesting help from the outreach program I assist with. That being said, I know we are set up to help him should he make the choice to seek it.
After all of that... we could speak about earnings. That is not equal, and there is more than enough statistics that show that women in comparable jobs earn less than male counterparts. You can complain all you want about it and try to explain it away, but at the end of the day women earn less for the same jobs and same work.
The U.S is not some shining beacon of gender equality, and in fact, we are kind of complete fuckups at equality in general.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 02 2016, @03:13AM
If you mean I can't take a small girl and chop off her clitoris, then yes protections exist.
And if you perform an equivalent act on a male baby, you're just a doctor--or a religious Jew/Muslim. No protections for males; female privilege.
In most cases the man chooses to stay over egotistical notions that they're the man and they should
Wow, nice victim blaming, asshole. I know that shit wouldn't fly if I used the same argument against women and it would be just as true--which is to say, not true at all. So that's two double standards in your wall of mental diarrhea. I'm not going to bother with the rest of your misandry.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 02 2016, @04:56AM
You should go study some anatomy before commenting on related matters.
(Score: 2) by http on Wednesday June 01 2016, @07:38PM
You haven't been paying attention - it's not an extraordinary claim. You're ignoring the evidence the people in the thick of it are providing. Oh, and saveservices is/was run by a mail-order bride company... not exactly credible. If you actually read the report, it doesn't claim what they say it claims - one in a hundred woman slapping a man in the face doesn't compare with three men in a hundred decking a woman with one, two, three haymakers and don't you dare get back up.
So shut the fuck up, AC. Even if you're trying to claim that a scratch is the same as a hospital visit, and go read tables 4.1 and 4.2 which DOES make that simplification - page 38 of the report [cdc.gov], page 48 of the pdf. For women, lifetime physical violence 33%, 39 million; for men, 28%, 32 million.
I browse at -1 when I have mod points. It's unsettling.
(Score: 2, Informative) by http on Wednesday June 01 2016, @07:41PM
Oh, and if case you don't feel like doing the work yourself to educate your sorry self, the same report (I know, reading hard) lists stats of 30.3% of women experiencing severe physical violence versus 13.8% of men in their lifetime.
I browse at -1 when I have mod points. It's unsettling.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 01 2016, @08:47PM
Men and women are abusers and victims at about equal rates, and in equal intensity. Sorry.
(Score: 3, Funny) by VLM on Wednesday June 01 2016, @06:46PM
co-ordinated social and physical attack
AFAIK there's one troll on the devuan lists. How does one individual coordinate social and physical attacks?
This is one of the problems with CoC-fever or whatever the SJWs themselves call it. A thundering herd of strange hair colored buffalo from tumblr cannot snort and stampede because "one guy on the internet is wrong and we must fix that" without expecting to be made fun of.
Abstracting out all the gender, "right now someone is writing C code if (a = b) and not understanding whats wrong, we better have us a riot!" how can that not be laughed at? Woo woo woo call out the internet police someone doesn't understand the difference between comparison and assignment better call the whaaaaaahbulance also, woo woo woo !! How is that not equally comedy when applied to "well heres someone who don't know how to talk to girls in a civilized manner"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 02 2016, @03:25PM
physical attack? I don't know what backwaters you frequent, but I've _never_ seen that happen (and yeah some people get mugged or raped, but that's not a normal circumstance and not all that common)
social attack, yeah sure
BUT the same is true when you are a male in a female dominated environment, I've been there as I was on the front edge of the making the schools coed in Belgium (and quite frankly the only way to change prejudgment/stereotypes, is to just stick it out and proof them wrong with your actions, in every other approach the cure is worse then the disease)
(Score: 1) by letssee on Wednesday June 01 2016, @04:54PM
If men did not (yet) earn their respect, they don't get kneaded in the balls by random strangers when they visit a conference.
This has nothing to do with respect for ones achievements. It's about a complete lack of decency in some (predominantly) males.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 01 2016, @05:17PM
Horse. Shit. It is entirely about respect. And trying to conflate insults with groping is bullshit equivalency. Still, the solution is the same. Demand respect in all cases and respond appropriately when it is not given.
Pro-Tip:
Kneeing someone in the nuts for groping you: good
Whining until policy is to assume all men are going to try groping you: bad.
Strong women I respect. Strong men I respect. Whiny little pussies of either gender can go fuck themselves.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by letssee on Wednesday June 01 2016, @06:45PM
Did you read the all the links? The chat was pretty tame, just an asshole getting banned from a chat. Nothing special.
There were other links which did talk about groping and the like.
And that's a very real problem.
> Whining until policy is to assume all men are going to try groping you: bad.
Bullcrap. Saying 'no groping' and making it easy to report if it does occur is just making the place nicer for everybody.
Some people just need to be reminded. 99.99% of people who don't need to be reminded don't need to be offended by the 'no groping policy'. If you put hundreds of people in a close space together, possibly involving alcohol, you need some rules and a way to enforce them. That's just the reality of life.
>Strong women I respect. Strong men I respect. Whiny little pussies of either gender can go fuck themselves.
So the football jocks are A-ok and the nerdy geeks with the glasses should just shut up already?
I beg to disagree. Not everybody (especially in the software geek world) is strong/brave enough to go the physical route.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 01 2016, @10:58PM
<sarcasm>Yeah, because it's totally not douchebaggery of the highest order to treat all men like criminals so that snowflakes can have a false sense of security.</sarcasm>
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by letssee on Thursday June 02 2016, @06:44AM
Having a CoC and the means to help people who have been harassed is *not* the same as treating all men as criminals. That are your words, not mine.
30% of all females is not the same as 'some special snowflake'. Of course not all men are harassers. It's only a small percentage.
Not all people are burglars, and still we as a society have laws against it.
A code of conduct (in the software world) should never ban harsh words. Linus Torvalds giving someone the burn is an example of 'can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen'. There I completely agree with you.
However, attacking someone just because they are a woman is something different.
And the number of women who report being groped at conferences is way higher than acceptable. Why is it bad to try and fix that?
Your tactic seems to be sticking your fingers in your ear and saying lalala I can't hear you. Which is also a way of making the problem go away I guess.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday June 02 2016, @10:15AM
So, to be clear here, you are asking for special treatment because of your gender?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by letssee on Thursday June 02 2016, @11:48AM
No, I'm not.
I confess that my writing is not always as clear as it is in my head.
All I'm saying is:
-Women get harassed a *lot* more than men, even tough theoretically speaking they are equals (today, in the western world). If you don't believe this is true, you should just pay a bit more attention or ask your female friends about it. I can't really believe you dispute this fact. How many guys are catcalled in the streets? How often have you been jokingly squeezed in the buttocks by a total stranger? For women these things are just a fact of life.
-Trying to fix this is a worthy thing, even if it means you'll have to deal with the occasional power hungry scheming politician (or feminazi, as you'd probably call them) as a result. Explicitly stating (at a conference, or a forum, or a chatroom) that harassing people (note, I say *people*, not women specifically) is not tolerated is a first step in giving harassed people some way to defend themselves.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday June 02 2016, @12:48PM
Ah, so you're just ignoring studies that disagree with your position then. You really have no clue what it is like being a man if you think you get more harassment. A very small minority of jerks aside, men treat women much better than they treat other men. We just don't cry about it; it's simply part of life. You have not a clue.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by letssee on Thursday June 02 2016, @01:02PM
>Ah, so you're just ignoring studies that disagree with your position then.
that makes two of us :-). But honestly, I try to read everything with an open mind.
But if you are honestly convinced women don't get catcalled more often and don't get more unwanted sexual attention, then there's nothing I can do to convince you. Maybe you're just lucky to live in the unicorn garden where that's indeed true. In that case, please let me know where it is :-)
Regulations are always about a small minority of jerks, never about the majority.
Anyway, over and out and many happy returns :-)
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday June 02 2016, @02:45PM
You're defining harassment as sexual harassment only. This negates 90% of the word's meaning.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Wednesday June 01 2016, @05:02PM
On the other hand:
1. Private organizations like Devuan do not have any kind of obligation to tolerate somebody who routinely refers to every female person they encounter as a "cunt", which this guy apparently does. And it's not unreasonable to make some rules about that sort of thing with the consequences ultimately of being kicked out of the group. (They could, of course, also just kick him out for no reason at all if they so chose.)
2. Coding isn't really supposed to be a high-pressure situation. Most coders do not do their best work when under pressure (try writing a bugfix with 10 managers sitting behind you shouting if you don't believe me), and especially with an open-source project it's not like there's some sort of deadline that will really affect anything if it's not met.
3. Volunteer efforts to create something definitely shouldn't qualify as an "unpleasant situation". There's a good practical reason for this, namely that if your volunteers decide it's an unpleasant situation, they won't be volunteers anymore, and your effort will fall apart.
I understand thinking along those lines when the question is whether somebody's going to risk life and limb to prevent nuclear weapons from falling into the wrong hands. I can even kinda understand it when it's a question of whether the startup will be doomed by missing its release date. But I don't see how the sorts of thinking that applies to people who are volunteering their time and resources to create some open-source code.
In other words, you seem to be going out of your way to justify being a jerk to people when there's absolutely no reason to do so, which is just straight-up bullying, something you should have gotten out of your system by about age 12 or so.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 01 2016, @05:30PM
Dude, we kick Ethanol-Fueled in IRC when he's being too big of a douchebag. We don't need a policy that tells us we should. Devuan shouldn't need one either. Just decide on a level of courtesy that you want as a community and enforce such. Without playing favorites to any ideology or person. There's no need to codify it. That only leads to abuses.
2-3 Coding low-pressure? Fuuuuck. You've not read the LKML much apparently. Either way, see above for the solution reasonable, adult human beings use.
Only pussies cry about being bullied. Anyone worth respect fucking deals with it. You also seem to be trying to imply that I'm other than amiable to my fellow team-members. Try again, douche-nozzle. I respect every member of the staff and treat them with the courtesy I expect in return. You, however, got up in my face acting a cunt and are being treated as such.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 01 2016, @06:34PM
Why do you keep using cunt and pussy as insults? It sounds like you don't particularly like them, to my admittedly untrained-in-the-fine-subtleties-of-masculine-thought ear :) Especially with how every other post is an opportunity to make a "suck it" joke.
Just saying, you don't generally use something you like as an insult. It'd be like a fat kid calling someone "chocolate cake."
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 01 2016, @07:44PM
Young girls (female children) are nice.
Busted cunt bitches aint.
Why should men like women when there are girls?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 01 2016, @07:54PM
Hah, I knew you were still around here somewhere, Karavatskhelia :D You're as predictable as clockwork and not even half as useful.
Real men (yes, I know the irony of a lesbian saying this...) are not afraid of women who are their equal. If anything I would expect a man with that high an opinion of himself to WANT an Amazon with a genius-level IQ, as she would be worthy of him.
You, of course, are terrified, absolutely TERRIFIED, by the power of the poonani, so you can only function with a much smaller and weaker partner. Sad, really.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 02 2016, @02:09AM
>with a much smaller and weaker partner.
Sounds wonderful. A cute female child. And not a partner; a subordinate.
As the God spoken of in the book of Deuteronomy intended.
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Friday June 03 2016, @01:52AM
You couldn't handle an Amazon woman for precisely the reasons you put forward, you coward. Hide behind your sky wizard. Maybe you want a little girl because you are nothing but a little boy.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 04 2016, @02:35AM
>You couldn't handle an Amazon woman for precisely the reasons you put forward, you coward.
Yep, don't want to handle no heifers
> Hide behind your sky wizard.
Gladly
>Maybe you want a little girl
Many are so cute.
>because you are nothing but a little boy.
Doesn't bother me. Keep making money for your boss.
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Thursday June 02 2016, @01:34AM
Damn it, MikeeUSA! If Azuma and I agree on one thing, and I repeat myself here, go the fuck away, MikeeUSA!
You know what? Have a -1, boot to the head!
Seriously, if you aren't what I suspect you are, please get help. Consider cannabis flower.
Until then: -1, boot to the head!
(Score: 3, Funny) by Jiro on Wednesday June 01 2016, @09:14PM
Don't be a prick.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 01 2016, @10:06PM
See, THAT is proper usage of it :) I don't particularly care for pricks, so being compared to one actually makes sense as an insult.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 01 2016, @11:05PM
Because they are insults; effective ones. What, you want cunt to not be an insult while dick, prick, pecker-head, etc... remain derogatory? Fuck off.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday June 02 2016, @04:38AM
Did I hit a nerve? A very small, insensitive, and in all likelihood rather under-used nerve?
And actually I tend to avoid gendered insults at all, preferring to stick with "asshole." Everyone has them, they are vile, they don't make new lives, and sometimes they are full of shit. Can't really see why male genitalia are insults any more than female ones, but whatever...though I have to admit I do think the guys' equipment is goofy as all hell.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday June 02 2016, @10:09AM
Nope, not even close, but it's nice to see my biggest fan still trying.
As for gendered insults, they aren't required to make literal sense as long as they're understood. Such is the nature of the language. It's quirky like that.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday June 02 2016, @02:00PM
In my experience, there's an inverse relationship among men between using terms for female genitalia as insults, and actually interacting with female genitalia as much as the men in question desire. As in, horny desperate boys use those terms all the time, happily married men rarely do.
In short, if The Mighty Buzzard got laid more often, he might see those body parts as beautiful instead of dirty or insulting.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday June 02 2016, @04:56PM
Between that and his .sig I have to wonder if he bats for the other team...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by VLM on Wednesday June 01 2016, @06:27PM
And it's not unreasonable to make some rules about that sort of thing with the consequences ultimately of being kicked out of the group.
Astoundingly I have no disagreement with 99% of your post other than the small detail of if you can't trust the judgment and authority of admins, then the problem isn't the lack of a written policy for every possible problem that could ever occur, its that you need new admins or you need to trust them enough to let them off their leash. Or if you're not going to trust admins to ever administrate at all, then abolish the position entirely and stop pretending you have admins.
Making a complicated system of rules lawyering never helps anyone in the long run. Someone people trust and respect in a position of power will, if nobody gets in their way, do the right thing. Or they'll get replaced.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 01 2016, @06:24PM
If the kitchen, as you put it, is tough, then so be it. But I wouldn't expect sexual harassment to be part of the 'toughness'. I don't get harassed at work, but it is a reality for many people, men or women. As a society, do we wish to accept that?
With regards to the usefulness of code of conduct, how do you know when the 'community' has decided on a certain level of courtesy? Because if it's not set in writing somewhere (and yes, this opens to discussion and rules lawyering and other bullshit), then what it really means is, "whatever I say it is". And if I happen to be more connected/popular/in charge of the server than you, then it's not community consensus, it's dictatorship or politics at best. Hopefully benign or even benevolent, but a dictatorship nonetheless.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 01 2016, @09:21PM
sexual harassment
> sexual harassment
> online
Chose only one.
How is that even a thing, like close your eyes dumbass. Twitter PTSD isn't a thing no matter how much SJWs try to "make it so".
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 01 2016, @11:36PM
Nothing wrong with a dictatorship as long as it's unobtrusive and just stays out of the way until it's needed. It's certainly preferable to the guaranteed oppression of the minority by the majority that is the definition of democracy.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by letssee on Thursday June 02 2016, @07:10AM
Best thing to have is an enlightened dictator. Pity power tends to corrupt people, so most enlightened dictators turn into self enriching assholes somewhere along the way.
"Democracy is the worst system except for all the other ones"
Though not all democracies are equal. The US winner-takes-all system is slightly worse at protecting the minority from the majority than the multi party system we have in the netherlands. Though it is by no means perfect here.
(Score: 1) by Fauxlosopher on Friday June 03 2016, @06:13AM
Your alarmism about dictatorships cannot logically apply to private servers, groups, clubs, businesses, etc. The owner's terms and conditions on the use of the property is final, appeals only subject to the owner's whim (and financial ability to continue operations).
Governments operate on the threat of deadly force, and so laws of free nations have attempted to chain governments down by explicit prohibitions on the use of said force against people for certain activities like speech. (These chains appear not to be very secure, in hindsight.)
"Community consensus" outside of the very narrow realm of legitimate government authority (hint: you can only delegate authority for things you can already do yourself to a third party, including to a government) is a collectivist fraud, fashioned to steal that which belongs to someone else. Your legitimate recourse for a repugnant private business owner is limited to such things as a boycott, using speech to tell others about the rotten owner, setting up a competing business, etc.