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posted by martyb on Wednesday June 01 2016, @02:55PM   Printer-friendly
from the unintended-consequences dept.

Devuan, the once devil-may-care total fork of Debian, once linked to virulent internet sexism and gamer-gate affiliated image forums by Debian Developer Russel Coker, has mulled the option of enacting a Code of Conduct when one of its female members was insulted:

> https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-25/?page=2
>jaromil today i was scrolling through http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_...
>golinux Well, I tried but couldn't find anybody. Then nextime popped up
>jaromil jeez. we need to take precautions. and also I get the point from Sarah Mei we need a code of conduct on-line and later for on-site http://www.sarahmei.com/blog/2015/02/01/the-fos...
> its never too early for that
>
>golinux One can only control one's own actions. ;)
>
>jaromil ah the wise one
...
>Wizzup he is doxed?
>jaromil that's him. we have a dossier yes

Devuan has been criticized for taking a "who gives a damn" and "real admins do it all by hand themselves every install" attitude towards security hardening scripts, and despise in particular any mention of the "bastille" linux hardening script (originally funded by Mandrake Linux).

Interestingly when Devuan was forming, the people behind Devuan cited the very person they are considering making the code of conduct against:

> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20141027
>VUA: It will be a governing body that puts the benefits of the users first, not the mystification of a "doacracy" delivering all the power to the package maintainers.
>Originally, Debian was created as a universal operating system for the users. The Free Software movement itself is there to defend users' rights. Sgryphon explains it well in this thread. ( http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=3031 )
>We will likely reproduce the governing body of Debian to follow its original mandate, with the advantage of starting small and more focused, hopefully with less pressure from the interest of commercial developers.


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Thexalon on Wednesday June 01 2016, @04:01PM

    by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday June 01 2016, @04:01PM (#353517)

    The purpose of Devuan is to create a version of Debian that worked without Systemd. There are significant technical reasons to oppose systemd [without-systemd.org]. The idea that it's a "devil-may-care total fork of Debian" is in fact wrong, because Devuan makes use of any Debian packages unmodified that it can.

    As for this specific effort, by all appearances someone was way out of line, and seeing as how they didn't have a set of rules to kick someone who is violating Wheaton's Law, they decided to make some. As somebody who's been in the position of having to decide whether to kick people out of meatspace groups, having specific rules makes it easier to differentiate between somebody who's really out of line and somebody who you just don't like, both for yourself and for any outside observers. It's basically a way of formalizing what is usually done informally in all sorts of groups, namely shunning those who are jerks.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Nerdfest on Wednesday June 01 2016, @04:18PM

    by Nerdfest (80) on Wednesday June 01 2016, @04:18PM (#353523)

    Agreed; the problem is not really in having a "Code of Conduct", but how almost all are worded. They can be, are have been used to basically block unpopular ideas or opinions as they don't align with the current opinions of the people administering the policy. I like the idea above of just banning people for any off-topic stuff. Take the SJW crap and other drama elsewhere. In general, Wheaton's law would be as good a solution (or better) than most of the CoCs I've seen.

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 01 2016, @05:00PM

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday June 01 2016, @05:00PM (#353538) Homepage Journal

      The problem with Wheaton's law is that he doesn't remotely follow it himself, like every SJW ever.

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      • (Score: 2) by Nerdfest on Wednesday June 01 2016, @07:05PM

        by Nerdfest (80) on Wednesday June 01 2016, @07:05PM (#353607)

        I don't personally recall him being a dick, but maybe I just haven't been paying attention. Got an example?

  • (Score: 2) by jdavidb on Wednesday June 01 2016, @08:44PM

    by jdavidb (5690) on Wednesday June 01 2016, @08:44PM (#353648) Homepage Journal
    I honestly had no idea there was a Wheaton's Law, although I've heard him express it before. I actually posted to Wheaton on Slashdot not too long ago inviting him here. It would be nice if others would invite him.
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