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Devuan, the once devil-may-care total fork of Debian, once linked to virulent internet sexism and gamer-gate affiliated image forums by Debian Developer Russel Coker, has mulled the option of enacting a Code of Conduct when one of its female members was insulted:
> https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-25/?page=2
>jaromil today i was scrolling through http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_...
>golinux Well, I tried but couldn't find anybody. Then nextime popped up
>jaromil jeez. we need to take precautions. and also I get the point from Sarah Mei we need a code of conduct on-line and later for on-site http://www.sarahmei.com/blog/2015/02/01/the-fos...
> its never too early for that
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>golinux One can only control one's own actions. ;)
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>jaromil ah the wise one
...
>Wizzup he is doxed?
>jaromil that's him. we have a dossier yes
Devuan has been criticized for taking a "who gives a damn" and "real admins do it all by hand themselves every install" attitude towards security hardening scripts, and despise in particular any mention of the "bastille" linux hardening script (originally funded by Mandrake Linux).
Interestingly when Devuan was forming, the people behind Devuan cited the very person they are considering making the code of conduct against:
> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20141027
>VUA: It will be a governing body that puts the benefits of the users first, not the mystification of a "doacracy" delivering all the power to the package maintainers.
>Originally, Debian was created as a universal operating system for the users. The Free Software movement itself is there to defend users' rights. Sgryphon explains it well in this thread. ( http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=3031 )
>We will likely reproduce the governing body of Debian to follow its original mandate, with the advantage of starting small and more focused, hopefully with less pressure from the interest of commercial developers.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 01 2016, @05:48PM
Men take no less abuse
This is false. A simple search [duckduckgo.com] finds a lot of studies on the topic of varying quality, although they all determine that women are harassed more. The clearest one is this study [umd.edu] which created new usernames for the study and found that female-named users got an order of magnitude more harassing messages.
Harassment of men happens but on nowhere near the same scale as harassment of women.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 01 2016, @05:56PM
The more nuanced picture is that men are harassed more overall, but women receive more sexual/gendered harassment. So men and women experience harassment differently. Most of those studies focus on sexual harassment only, which is why they erroneously conclude women suffer more.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/10/22/pew_online_harassment_study_men_are_called_names_women_are_stalked_and_sexually.html [slate.com]
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/04/men-are-harassed-more-than-women-online.html [thedailybeast.com]
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 01 2016, @05:58PM
Hi, you must be new to the Internet. Welcome aboard. Expect regular harassment when you do something stupid like you just did. Dumbass.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by letssee on Wednesday June 01 2016, @06:36PM
Considering you sig is a sausagefest, I think there is some confirmation bias at play in your worldview. :-)
I don't know if you have any female friends, but if you do you should ask them about it. Women get harassed a lot more than men.
Some women object, others don't care. You don't notice it, because you're not a woman walking down the street alone.
How often in you live have you been groped and/or slapped on the butt in your life? Now go and ask your female friends, their 'score' will probably be higher.
I don't blame you. It took me some time to accept it. I did not want my world to be that way. But it is, and we should try to fix that.
Of course that will attract some powerhungry whiners. They are everywhere. However, that should not stop us to try and make our wolrd a better place for everybody.
(Score: 2) by jdavidb on Wednesday June 01 2016, @08:47PM
ⓋⒶ☮✝🕊 Secession is the right of all sentient beings
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 01 2016, @10:17PM
OMG this, this, this! ^
It's so easy to ignore a problem when it doesn't happen to you. When people accuse you, Runaway, of "male privilege," this is what they mean: men are not, in the main (i.e., not institutionally) subject to this sort of behavior. It happens, but it's not on a society-wide scale. Not that that makes it okay when it does happen of course, but it's not men who are told to travel in groups and watch their clothing and avoid the opposite sex. It's not a lifestyle-shaping factor for men.
This is a pervasive problem and most of the time we don't talk about it. Why? Because we get responses ranging from "Not a big deal, no harm no foul" to "Boys will be boys" to my favorite "Well, you must have done something to provoke it." Really? I dress modestly, my boots make metallic noises when they hit the ground toe-first, and people STILL try this crap with me. No other behavior problem--or crime--is given this kind of latitude.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 01 2016, @11:01PM
My sig's a quote from a cartoon. Get you some perspective.
No, they do not. Well unless you only count harassment with a sexual tone. Read the rest of the comments, studies have already been pointed out and linked.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by letssee on Thursday June 02 2016, @06:12AM
Of course your sig is a joke. But using this quote as a sig, and not another, means it resonates with you. So it does say something about you.
There are studies which prove women don't get harassed as often as man? Hahaha! I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.
(Score: 1) by letssee on Thursday June 02 2016, @06:28AM
Oops, screwed up a sentence there. I meant to say:
"There are studies proving women don't get harassed more than men?"
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday June 02 2016, @10:14AM
If you're really interested in the backstory, watch Undergrads. It's pretty hilarious. Many a good, quotable moment like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-AvqBMjsUs [youtube.com]
Yeah, it's nifty how people will believe what they want contrary to facts being presented to them.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by letssee on Thursday June 02 2016, @11:27AM
It's funny how I was thinking the *exact* same thing about you :-)
I blame google's search bubble.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday June 02 2016, @12:50PM
You've been given studies that debunk the utter hell out of the studies you're relying on for your opinion and you've submitted none that debunk those studies. Who's got the confirmation bias again?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by letssee on Thursday June 02 2016, @02:59PM
I think the main reason that we can't agree is that you seem to be talking about 'online only'. Where there are indeed some studies to backup your viewpoint, though if I look through duckduckgo's results it's really all over the place, with some studies saying it's about equal and some studies saying women get a lot more.
I'm talking (mainly) about real life events, where catcalling and buttpinching are apparently considered 'normal'.
I blame the confusing summary, which smushed together a few unrelated links.
btw, I don't get why you are so irate. I'm trying to have a civilized discussion here, no need to start swearing.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday June 02 2016, @03:17PM
I'm not, that's just how I speak in non-professional venues. Both online and off.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by http on Wednesday June 08 2016, @05:46AM
Undergrads, yeah, know the reference and wish I didn't. Sexual harrassment of women as a requirement for entry into a fraternity? Such hilarity.
There's a reason people are frequently attacking what you write concerning women: you're saying indefensible shit. Please, do yourself and everyone else a favour and stick to coding the website only. You're good at that, and it lets the adults talk.
I browse at -1 when I have mod points. It's unsettling.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 08 2016, @10:08AM
Do huh? A) Rocko was hazing himself because he's an idiot. B) Nitz was a man not a woman.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 01 2016, @09:33PM
Pretty interesting search terms you use. When using the string "harassment men women" gives a very different view:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=harassment+men+women&ia=news [duckduckgo.com]