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Devuan, the once devil-may-care total fork of Debian, once linked to virulent internet sexism and gamer-gate affiliated image forums by Debian Developer Russel Coker, has mulled the option of enacting a Code of Conduct when one of its female members was insulted:
> https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-25/?page=2
>jaromil today i was scrolling through http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_...
>golinux Well, I tried but couldn't find anybody. Then nextime popped up
>jaromil jeez. we need to take precautions. and also I get the point from Sarah Mei we need a code of conduct on-line and later for on-site http://www.sarahmei.com/blog/2015/02/01/the-fos...
> its never too early for that
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>golinux One can only control one's own actions. ;)
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>jaromil ah the wise one
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>Wizzup he is doxed?
>jaromil that's him. we have a dossier yes
Devuan has been criticized for taking a "who gives a damn" and "real admins do it all by hand themselves every install" attitude towards security hardening scripts, and despise in particular any mention of the "bastille" linux hardening script (originally funded by Mandrake Linux).
Interestingly when Devuan was forming, the people behind Devuan cited the very person they are considering making the code of conduct against:
> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20141027
>VUA: It will be a governing body that puts the benefits of the users first, not the mystification of a "doacracy" delivering all the power to the package maintainers.
>Originally, Debian was created as a universal operating system for the users. The Free Software movement itself is there to defend users' rights. Sgryphon explains it well in this thread. ( http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=3031 )
>We will likely reproduce the governing body of Debian to follow its original mandate, with the advantage of starting small and more focused, hopefully with less pressure from the interest of commercial developers.
(Score: 1) by letssee on Wednesday June 01 2016, @06:45PM
Did you read the all the links? The chat was pretty tame, just an asshole getting banned from a chat. Nothing special.
There were other links which did talk about groping and the like.
And that's a very real problem.
> Whining until policy is to assume all men are going to try groping you: bad.
Bullcrap. Saying 'no groping' and making it easy to report if it does occur is just making the place nicer for everybody.
Some people just need to be reminded. 99.99% of people who don't need to be reminded don't need to be offended by the 'no groping policy'. If you put hundreds of people in a close space together, possibly involving alcohol, you need some rules and a way to enforce them. That's just the reality of life.
>Strong women I respect. Strong men I respect. Whiny little pussies of either gender can go fuck themselves.
So the football jocks are A-ok and the nerdy geeks with the glasses should just shut up already?
I beg to disagree. Not everybody (especially in the software geek world) is strong/brave enough to go the physical route.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 01 2016, @10:58PM
<sarcasm>Yeah, because it's totally not douchebaggery of the highest order to treat all men like criminals so that snowflakes can have a false sense of security.</sarcasm>
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by letssee on Thursday June 02 2016, @06:44AM
Having a CoC and the means to help people who have been harassed is *not* the same as treating all men as criminals. That are your words, not mine.
30% of all females is not the same as 'some special snowflake'. Of course not all men are harassers. It's only a small percentage.
Not all people are burglars, and still we as a society have laws against it.
A code of conduct (in the software world) should never ban harsh words. Linus Torvalds giving someone the burn is an example of 'can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen'. There I completely agree with you.
However, attacking someone just because they are a woman is something different.
And the number of women who report being groped at conferences is way higher than acceptable. Why is it bad to try and fix that?
Your tactic seems to be sticking your fingers in your ear and saying lalala I can't hear you. Which is also a way of making the problem go away I guess.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday June 02 2016, @10:15AM
So, to be clear here, you are asking for special treatment because of your gender?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by letssee on Thursday June 02 2016, @11:48AM
No, I'm not.
I confess that my writing is not always as clear as it is in my head.
All I'm saying is:
-Women get harassed a *lot* more than men, even tough theoretically speaking they are equals (today, in the western world). If you don't believe this is true, you should just pay a bit more attention or ask your female friends about it. I can't really believe you dispute this fact. How many guys are catcalled in the streets? How often have you been jokingly squeezed in the buttocks by a total stranger? For women these things are just a fact of life.
-Trying to fix this is a worthy thing, even if it means you'll have to deal with the occasional power hungry scheming politician (or feminazi, as you'd probably call them) as a result. Explicitly stating (at a conference, or a forum, or a chatroom) that harassing people (note, I say *people*, not women specifically) is not tolerated is a first step in giving harassed people some way to defend themselves.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday June 02 2016, @12:48PM
Ah, so you're just ignoring studies that disagree with your position then. You really have no clue what it is like being a man if you think you get more harassment. A very small minority of jerks aside, men treat women much better than they treat other men. We just don't cry about it; it's simply part of life. You have not a clue.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by letssee on Thursday June 02 2016, @01:02PM
>Ah, so you're just ignoring studies that disagree with your position then.
that makes two of us :-). But honestly, I try to read everything with an open mind.
But if you are honestly convinced women don't get catcalled more often and don't get more unwanted sexual attention, then there's nothing I can do to convince you. Maybe you're just lucky to live in the unicorn garden where that's indeed true. In that case, please let me know where it is :-)
Regulations are always about a small minority of jerks, never about the majority.
Anyway, over and out and many happy returns :-)
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday June 02 2016, @02:45PM
You're defining harassment as sexual harassment only. This negates 90% of the word's meaning.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.