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posted by martyb on Wednesday June 01 2016, @02:55PM   Printer-friendly
from the unintended-consequences dept.

Devuan, the once devil-may-care total fork of Debian, once linked to virulent internet sexism and gamer-gate affiliated image forums by Debian Developer Russel Coker, has mulled the option of enacting a Code of Conduct when one of its female members was insulted:

> https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-25/?page=2
>jaromil today i was scrolling through http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_...
>golinux Well, I tried but couldn't find anybody. Then nextime popped up
>jaromil jeez. we need to take precautions. and also I get the point from Sarah Mei we need a code of conduct on-line and later for on-site http://www.sarahmei.com/blog/2015/02/01/the-fos...
> its never too early for that
>
>golinux One can only control one's own actions. ;)
>
>jaromil ah the wise one
...
>Wizzup he is doxed?
>jaromil that's him. we have a dossier yes

Devuan has been criticized for taking a "who gives a damn" and "real admins do it all by hand themselves every install" attitude towards security hardening scripts, and despise in particular any mention of the "bastille" linux hardening script (originally funded by Mandrake Linux).

Interestingly when Devuan was forming, the people behind Devuan cited the very person they are considering making the code of conduct against:

> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20141027
>VUA: It will be a governing body that puts the benefits of the users first, not the mystification of a "doacracy" delivering all the power to the package maintainers.
>Originally, Debian was created as a universal operating system for the users. The Free Software movement itself is there to defend users' rights. Sgryphon explains it well in this thread. ( http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=3031 )
>We will likely reproduce the governing body of Debian to follow its original mandate, with the advantage of starting small and more focused, hopefully with less pressure from the interest of commercial developers.


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  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday June 02 2016, @10:15AM

    So, to be clear here, you are asking for special treatment because of your gender?

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  • (Score: 1) by letssee on Thursday June 02 2016, @11:48AM

    by letssee (2537) on Thursday June 02 2016, @11:48AM (#353998)

    No, I'm not.

    I confess that my writing is not always as clear as it is in my head.

    All I'm saying is:

    -Women get harassed a *lot* more than men, even tough theoretically speaking they are equals (today, in the western world). If you don't believe this is true, you should just pay a bit more attention or ask your female friends about it. I can't really believe you dispute this fact. How many guys are catcalled in the streets? How often have you been jokingly squeezed in the buttocks by a total stranger? For women these things are just a fact of life.

    -Trying to fix this is a worthy thing, even if it means you'll have to deal with the occasional power hungry scheming politician (or feminazi, as you'd probably call them) as a result. Explicitly stating (at a conference, or a forum, or a chatroom) that harassing people (note, I say *people*, not women specifically) is not tolerated is a first step in giving harassed people some way to defend themselves.

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday June 02 2016, @12:48PM

      Ah, so you're just ignoring studies that disagree with your position then. You really have no clue what it is like being a man if you think you get more harassment. A very small minority of jerks aside, men treat women much better than they treat other men. We just don't cry about it; it's simply part of life. You have not a clue.

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      • (Score: 1) by letssee on Thursday June 02 2016, @01:02PM

        by letssee (2537) on Thursday June 02 2016, @01:02PM (#354032)

        >Ah, so you're just ignoring studies that disagree with your position then.
        that makes two of us :-). But honestly, I try to read everything with an open mind.

        But if you are honestly convinced women don't get catcalled more often and don't get more unwanted sexual attention, then there's nothing I can do to convince you. Maybe you're just lucky to live in the unicorn garden where that's indeed true. In that case, please let me know where it is :-)

        Regulations are always about a small minority of jerks, never about the majority.

        Anyway, over and out and many happy returns :-)