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The evening after the massacre at Orlando's Pulse nightclub, a California pastor took the opportunity to preach that "God said: When you find a sodomite, put them to death.'" A video of the sermon was uploaded by the church, then deleted "for violating YouTube's policy on hate speech." A copy of the video uploaded by someone else, describing the sermon as "despicable," was allowed to remain.
coverage:
- Sacramento Bee
- CBS (about sermon)
- New York Daily News
- Washington Post
further information:
Facebook page for Verity Baptist Church
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 15 2016, @06:53AM
Do these count? Where's the line? Are we not allowed to upload say, speeches that Hitler gave?
(Score: 3, Funny) by Bot on Wednesday June 15 2016, @07:04AM
I see plenty of Hitler ranting on Youtube. In fact, I wonder how the German managed to get under the leadership of such a whiner. OTOH his opinions are usually sensible and his knowledge quite extended.
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(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 15 2016, @08:07AM
OTOH his opinions are usually sensible and his knowledge quite extended
LOL. I'm sure his opinions sound sensible to you. After all, he was a populist, i.e. a "politician" whose primary audience are the parts of society who are too poorly educated or simply too dumb to grasp how the world works. Unfortunately, just because a large number of people believe the world should and could be simpler doesn't make it so, and the Reich had to go on an invasion spree to prevent economic collapse.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 15 2016, @08:42AM
He was a socialist, and many European countries actually implemented most parts of the NSDAP plan. Big whiner too.
So no surprise his speeches are still popular.
(Score: 3, Informative) by fritsd on Wednesday June 15 2016, @10:20AM
No.
In the words of my history teacher: "and if you mix up the SDAP [wikipedia.org] with the NSDAP [wikipedia.org], I will personally beat you up!" (this was an argumentum ad baculum [wikipedia.org] )
Many European countries actually implemented most parts of the NSDAP plan, because their pre-occupation government was replaced by Quislings [wikipedia.org].
(One of the posters on that page says: "Dutchmen! For your honour and conscience, come on! against Bolsjewism. The Waffen SS calls on you to join!")
Waffen SS != socialism. Duh.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by tangomargarine on Wednesday June 15 2016, @02:01PM
No, the "Socialist" part of their name was a blatant lie to get more votes.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 3, Insightful) by bart9h on Wednesday June 15 2016, @01:30PM
woooooooooosh
(Score: 1) by arcz on Wednesday June 15 2016, @03:02PM
Hitler was quite logical. The problem is relying too much on logic. At the end of the day logic does not provide morality. Some emotional component, this is wrong, this is right, is required for that. Pure logic results in moral reletivism. Justice requires logic, but there are fundamental, non-logical fundamental emotional values that have to be accepted for that to work, that we want fairness, the greater good of society, and to not act hastily for example. But Hitler wasn't focused on fairness, patience, prudence, good of society, and etc. because he focused on only acheiving his goals like revenge, desire for power, etc.. Hitler logically acted to obtain his goals, but his goals were reprehensible.
Understanding that logic and justice are distinct concepts, is important.
(Score: 1) by ewibble on Thursday June 16 2016, @09:12PM
Logic and justice are not distinct, most moral need logic, otherwise you get things like being gay is bad because I say so. It harms no one to any significant extent so it is not bad. You need to apply logic to what people say otherwise you can too easily be swayed by emotion.
Here is logic for some of the big ones, they go pretty much the same:
Don't kill, if people are aloud to kill then we will have to spend our lives watching out, and defending ourselves from other people killing us, this is a huge waste resources.
This goes for stealing, honesty crimes as well, imagine people in general could trust what other people say, everything that anybody says to you would have to be independently verified, that would be a massive undertaking.
Most of the same, morals in the bible are ones that society work.
Hitler was not logical, he was populist. How can killing Jews, homosexuals logically help starving people with no food (Ok you kill off the population you have more for the remaining, but he had a scorched earth policy too). It can't, what it can do is get you support, people like blaming others for problems rather than looking inwards. What would have Hitler done once all his scapegoats where dead? Hitlers logic is not logic but an appeal to the emotions of fear and hate.
Look at America, blame the Mexicans, Muslims, Chinese for there economic problems, not the fact that they have lived beyond there means for decades. Or that they bombing other countries, and then complain when they get some causalities, who could have predicted that would happen?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday June 15 2016, @11:22AM
I would actually like to see that material. Do you know where it's viewable?
My whole life people described Hitler as a mesmerizing orator. Except I didn't speak German, and figured I wouldn't be able to tell even if I did see one of his speeches. Now, I do. A few years ago Netflix had "Triumph of the Will," and, being naturally curious, I watched it. It completely changed my perception of the Nazis from the Manichaean, cartoon-cutouts that a million Hollywood movies and TV shows had portrayed them as. They had a plan and a mission that was, for them, positive.
That convinced me that the Jewish-mediated perception of the Nazis we have received has in fact done a huge disservice to the world and has actually thereby made a repeat of Nazi attrocities more likely. That is, if you think the Nazis are some otherworldly evil, villainous aliens, then you will not be vigilant for the signs that our own perfectly reasonable actions and policies will lead to depravity. Case in point, the demonization of muslims that is currently being promulgated in America and many places in Europe is really not dissimilar from what was done to Jews, Gypsies, Communists, Homosexuals, the Handicapped, and Evangelical Christians before they were rounded up into camps.
So I would be interested to hear what Hitler said, in his own words, to sift for hooks and rationales that were crystallized into the policies that were carried out, so that I can look for the same around us, now. In my bones I feel like we're perilously close to damnation, but I'd like to know more exactly.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Wednesday June 15 2016, @11:53AM
If you haven't already, read "The Book Thief" by Markus Zusak. It portrays everyday life for ordinary (and extraordinary) people under the Nazis and it shows how the propaganda of the time had dug itself so deeply into peoples' hearts and thoughts.
It immerses you in wartime Munich in the same way that To Kill a Mockingbird, 12 years a Slave or The Grapes of Wrath transport you to a long-disappeared America. It is an original, beautiful and compelling book that has won plenty of awards. The only downside is that it is thoroughly, thoroughly depressing towards the end. And in the middle. And the beginning's pretty depressing too, come to think of it. But read it anyway, you won't regret it!
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 15 2016, @01:07PM
Nazi attrocities
You have been brainwashed. No atrocities were ever committed by the Nazis. If you still think they were, then prove it. You need to prove that atrocities were committed. You really do. Otherwise, stop promoting myths and demonizing the innocent, and stop promoting Jews, who brainwashed you.
Today's demonization of muslims and others is done by the Jewish media, calling on you to do something about this 'problem' and 'send them back' etc. They want war and will do anything to get people to destroy each other, while they watch in anticipation of the end they desire: Total control over what is left.
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Wednesday June 15 2016, @01:58PM
No atrocities were ever committed by the Nazis. If you still think they were, then prove it.
Funny, that's exactly what Eisenhower addressed when he saw the concentration camps.
The visual evidence and the verbal testimony of starvation, cruelty and bestiality were so overpowering as to leave me a bit sick. In one room, where they [there] were piled up twenty or thirty naked men, killed by starvation, George Patton would not even enter. He said he would get sick if he did so. I made the visit deliberately, in order to be in position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the future, there develops a tendency to charge these allegations merely to 'propaganda'."
There's a couple other quotes in the same vein on the page [archives.gov] if you* want more.
*and if it were likely to do any good
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 15 2016, @02:43PM
There is a video out there, that addresses your concerns of concentration camp deaths and eisenhower's lies:
"Buchenwald a Dumb Dumb Portrayal of Evil"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HlPcaP9x5o [youtube.com]
The video is long, and you might want to clear your mind before starting. It could change your perception of history.
*and if it were likely to do any good
If the above video does not change your views, then the same can be said of you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 15 2016, @03:16PM
Come on, jmorris, log in when you post this :p
(Score: 3, Interesting) by LoRdTAW on Wednesday June 15 2016, @01:38PM
Hear, hear.
I have always thought the cartoonish characterization made of Hitler and the Nazis have made them look more like comic book villains than an actual political movement. I get that people want to make fun of Hitler and the Nazis as some sort of coping mechanism to deal with the atrocities they committed. But that detracts from the events that lead up to the Germans accepting such a political ideal. I'm sure Hitler was the 1920's/30' alt-right and like other anti-establishment rabble rousers, got the people's attention. Lather, rinse, repeat.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Wednesday June 15 2016, @02:33PM
It's just what people do. I mean seriously, how often do you hear suicide bombers described in absolute terms of evil or stupidity rather than as human beings who started off with the same promise and potential as everyone else, but somehow were guided down a path of destruction? How often are pedophiles described as absolute evil, rather than troubled people with unhealthy urges that they can't control?
There is no "pure evil" outside of popular entertainment or religious texts. People who do terrible things always do them for a reason- sometimes they think in their own heads they are doing good, sometimes they are driven by desperation or by personal demons or circumstances that are beyond their powers to contain. However it's more comfortable to simply distance ourselves from such people, to declare ourselves different rather than trying to understand them, trying to see what they have in common with everyone else. It's quicker and easier to simply label people as evil and then rejoice in their misery or destruction rather than examine their motives and try to use that information to prevent future tragedies.
This is one of the reasons humanity is doomed to repeat the mistakes of history over and over again - people are too ready to delude themselves that "it will be different this time" because they see history in a different light to the present.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 15 2016, @02:53PM
The absolute evil they say of Nazis is for a reason.
Because Nazis were great people who never committed any crime of any kind whatsoever.
So its safe for the Jews and their minions to call "absolute evil" because the Jews themselves are the evil.
Calling someone absolute evil can be dangerous in case the person is really evil. But calling National Socialists evil defies logic, the laws of physics, the laws of mathematics, and is a crime against reason.
(Score: 2) by jdavidb on Thursday June 16 2016, @02:36AM
how often do you hear suicide bombers described in absolute terms of evil or stupidity rather than as human beings who started off with the same promise and potential as everyone else
Usually I hear suicide bombers described by people from the countries that are bombing that of the suiciders, yet the describers throw up their hands and say we just don't know why these people hate us. They sometimes go on to say something about Coca-Cola or Wal-Mart or scantily clad women or freedom, but they only definitive thing is "we just don't know." It apparently has nothing to do with the bombings, wars, and drone strikes Western governments are carrying on in the middle east. The suicidal Japanese fighters were the same way - noone could explain it, it was probably just that they aren't like us.
ⓋⒶ☮✝🕊 Secession is the right of all sentient beings
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 16 2016, @07:07AM
The banality of evil [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 2) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Thursday June 16 2016, @09:08AM
That's a good link, thanks.
I've come across that phrase before, and it struck me that it occurs to George W Bush. He kind of faded away from public view after leaving the Whitehouse, so I googled him up a while back to see what he was up to. bear in mind that when he was in power he started illegal wars, and was culpable for torture and kidnapping and thousands upon thousands of pointless deaths. He funnelled vast amounts of taxpayer money into the back pockets of crooks, villains and mercenaries. He must have had some awesome masterplan that he was working towards. Maybe he needed all that money to build a secret hideout in an extinct volcano, or maybe he has an exorbitant hookers+blow lifestyle to fund, or perhaps he believes spilling the blood of innocents will grant him eternal life via elaborate satanic rituals...
No.
You want to know how this dickhead is spending his retirement? He plays bridge and paints pictures of his dogs.
For fuck's sake, if that's your ultimate ambition, you don't need to murder a hundred thousand Iraqis to realise it. You can spend 40 years as a shoe salesman and then retire comfortably with cards and oil paints. What was all that death and destruction ultimately for, if that's all you're going to do with the fruits of your wickedness? What a prick.