SoylentNews is people
SoylentNews
The evening after the massacre at Orlando's Pulse nightclub, a California pastor took the opportunity to preach that "God said: When you find a sodomite, put them to death.'" A video of the sermon was uploaded by the church, then deleted "for violating YouTube's policy on hate speech." A copy of the video uploaded by someone else, describing the sermon as "despicable," was allowed to remain.
coverage:
- Sacramento Bee
- CBS (about sermon)
- New York Daily News
- Washington Post
further information:
Facebook page for Verity Baptist Church
(archived copy)
This discussion has been archived.
No new comments can be posted.
The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.
The mosquito is the state bird of New Jersey.
-- Andy Warhol
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Wednesday June 15 2016, @05:04PM
Baptists and in particular Southern Christian Identity followers are likely all thinking the same thing across the nation. And they're better armed than the shooter
If you openly speak and act the opposite of what Christ spoke, you're not a Christian, you are a "wolf in sheep's clothing." Jesus said to love everyone and judge no one, and that he who lives by the deadly weapon dies by the deadly weapon (statistics back him up, gun owners are murdered twice as often as unarmed people).
Gays are no more sinful that me. Everyone sins, that's why Jesus was executed -- so you don't have to be executed.
Carbon, The only element in the known universe to ever gain sentience
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Wednesday June 15 2016, @06:33PM
That was my take-away from the Gospels in general as well. Wolves in sheep's clothing is a fancy no true Scotsman argument.
Arguments about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin aside, I'm informed that the names of gays are retroactively removed from the book of life, and thus according to Revelation, it's the lake of fire for gays! Apparently this white throne judgement thingy invalidates anything about Jesus' sacrifice.
Beware! Your name might be removed from the book of life, too, if you don't hate the gays enough! Never-ending torment by fire, unending agonizing torture worse than anything you could possibly imagine [xkcd.com]! You'll have no mouth, and you must scream!
But I'd rather rewatch End of Evangelion than go down that rabbit hole ever again.
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Thursday June 16 2016, @03:04PM
I just now pulled up Revelations in by browser and searched for the word "sodomy". It isn't there. "Sodom" is, it's the place the beast rises from.
I keep telling Christians not to listen to men, but to read their bibles themselves.
Carbon, The only element in the known universe to ever gain sentience
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Friday June 17 2016, @04:24PM
I remember that's how my ex-father started out. He didn't listen to men. When he had finished, he concluded that pretty much every denomination and church were actually devil worshipers and money changers. Then he just needed a nudge to find evidence that I was actually a shape-shifting demon (not much different from a lizard person!) from the burning hells who had murdered not just one of his children, but several of his un-conceived grandchildren as well. I forget the exact line of evidence. He's not alone in that regard.
Personally, I prefer The Message [biblegateway.com]. Revelation 11:1–14 from that version:
I was given a stick for a measuring rod and told, “Get up and measure God’s Temple and Altar and everyone worshiping in it. Exclude the outside court; don’t measure it. It’s been handed over to non-Jewish outsiders. They’ll desecrate the Holy City for forty-two months.
“Meanwhile, I’ll provide my two Witnesses. Dressed in sackcloth, they’ll prophesy for 1,260 days. These are the two Olive Trees, the two Lampstands, standing at attention before God on earth. If anyone tries to hurt them, a blast of fire from their mouths will incinerate them—burn them to a crisp just like that. They’ll have power to seal the sky so that it doesn’t rain for the time of their prophesying, power to turn rivers and springs to blood, power to hit earth with any and every disaster as often as they want.
“When they’ve completed their witness, the Beast from the Abyss will emerge and fight them, conquer and kill them, leaving their corpses exposed on the street of the Great City spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, the same City where their Master was crucified. For three and a half days they’ll be there—exposed, prevented from getting a decent burial, stared at by the curious from all over the world. Those people will cheer at the spectacle, shouting ‘Good riddance!’ and calling for a celebration, for these two prophets pricked the conscience of all the people on earth, made it impossible for them to enjoy their sins.
“Then, after three and a half days, the Living Spirit of God will enter them—they’re on their feet!—and all those gloating spectators will be scared to death.”
I heard a strong voice out of Heaven calling, “Come up here!” and up they went to Heaven, wrapped in a cloud, their enemies watching it all. At that moment there was a gigantic earthquake—a tenth of the city fell to ruin, seven thousand perished in the earthquake, the rest frightened to the core of their being, frightened into giving honor to the God-of-Heaven.
The second doom is past, the third doom coming right on its heels.
So many people hoping they're one of those witnesses, hoping for that earthquake, desperate for man Jesus to come down out of the clouds and show everybody else how wicked they are, eager to become martyrs.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 15 2016, @07:12PM
Soooooo, if I understand this right: your God sacrificed his son, who is also himself, TO himself, to STOP himself from throwing his own creations, whom he knew would sin and how before he created them, into the Hell he also freely chose to create but didn't have to (and never told the Jews about; no, he left that to the pagan Persians and Greeks...).
And because he is omnipotent, transcendent, immutable, and absolutely-sovereign, no being can possibly harm him in any way shape or form, which means he is deliberately choosing to take offense at the things he knew his creations would do before he created them.
...yeah, makes perfect sense. Sounds like an abusive husband: "Why do you MAKE ME send you to Hell^W^W^W^W hit you?!"
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Wednesday June 15 2016, @09:12PM
Christians will tell you "nooo, you send yourself to hell!"
Oh, do I? Ok, then I choose not to go to hell no matter what my life choices are. "nooo you will go to hell for that!"
The religious fundamentalists are beyond reason.
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 15 2016, @09:38PM
Yup, and they're completely missing the point too: regardless of who does the sending, if it weren't there in the first fucking place, this would be a non-issue. You're unfortunately correct: fundamentalists are completely beyond reason, mostly because they've been hijacked by some sort of unchecked stolen concept fallacy with regards to their epistemology.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by mcgrew on Thursday June 16 2016, @03:09PM
The trouble with fundamentalists is that they don't seem to grasp the fundamentals.
Carbon, The only element in the known universe to ever gain sentience
(Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Sunday June 19 2016, @12:03AM
Fundamentalists are, however, quite mental.
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Thursday June 16 2016, @03:07PM
He's the programmer of the simulation you think the universe is, and you're just a subroutine. Also, don't forget that Abraham was to sacrifice HIS own son and God stopped him. You should never ask someone to undergo pain you're not willing to undergo.
Carbon, The only element in the known universe to ever gain sentience
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday June 16 2016, @05:11PM
I have news for you, Mr. McGrew; Jesus' death was not a "sacrifice." It was a shitty weekend, after which he (re)gained Godhood. I would let someone crucify me in exchange for that.
Congratulations on completely missing the fucking point, as your kind always do.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anal Pumpernickel on Wednesday June 15 2016, @07:18PM
If you openly speak and act the opposite of what Christ spoke, you're not a Christian, you are a "wolf in sheep's clothing."
Right, except that the bible contains so many fun things and interpretations that you can use it to justify just about anything. This is just a No True Christian argument.
Some people say only the New Testament matters anymore, but there is also plenty of debate about that. It's also not as if the New Testament doesn't have its share of evil shit.
Jesus said to love everyone and judge no one, and that he who lives by the deadly weapon dies by the deadly weapon (statistics back him up, gun owners are murdered twice as often as unarmed people).
And also supposedly told slaves to obey their masters. Let's not ignore all the bad parts.
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Thursday June 16 2016, @03:13PM
What Christ said defines Christianity.
And also supposedly told slaves to obey their masters
Chapter and verse or it's a falsegood.
Carbon, The only element in the known universe to ever gain sentience