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posted by n1 on Monday April 21 2014, @08:21PM   Printer-friendly
from the conclusions-would-damage-the-economy dept.

Biofuels have direct, fuel-cycle GHG emissions that are typically 30-90% lower than those for gasoline or diesel fuels. However, since for some biofuels indirect emissions-including from land use change-can lead to greater total emissions than when using petroleum products, policy support needs to be considered on a case by case basis.

The IPCC has released a finalized draft of its Working Group III report. Sourced from Forbes, their analysis: that ethanol is worse than petroleum. The Working Group itself managed to say... Well, after a quick read-through of chapter 8, it appears they managed to keep any actual meaning occluded by a thick screen of political double-speak. So, I guess they said whatever you would like them to have said since nobody can prove any different.

 
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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by frojack on Monday April 21 2014, @10:20PM

    by frojack (1554) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 21 2014, @10:20PM (#34177) Journal

    Your understanding of history is completely conflated on this issue and the MBTE issue which were completely separate and unrelated issues. Ethanol is not an anit-knock agent, and your car actually runs better without it.

    In 2005, there was already [wikipedia.org] a requirement for biofuel mixture in gasoline, but it was somewhat voluntary. It did spawn the infamous "Flex Fuel" vehicles, that nobody wanted.

    There was a industry wide discussion about the blend level, and congress was informed that the US fleet would not tolerate more than 10% without massive changes, hence in 2007 the timeline extension to 2022.

    Then in 2007, the actual mandate was defined. It was written into TITLE II of the ENERGY INDEPENDENCE AND SECURITY ACT OF 2007 [gpo.gov]. See section 202.

    It has percentages of biofuel for each forward year. (Same act promulgated the death of Incandescent bulbs). See also the Wiki Article [wikipedia.org].

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  • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Tuesday April 22 2014, @02:44AM

    by Reziac (2489) on Tuesday April 22 2014, @02:44AM (#34228) Homepage

    When I'm towing and expect to be climbing hills, I've found I get about 10% better fuel economy with straight gas, and don't lose power on long upslopes like I do with ethanol blend. There are still a few places in MT where I can buy straight gas, and when the truck is going to really work, it's worth the 1-2% higher price.

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    • (Score: 2) by frojack on Tuesday April 22 2014, @07:46PM

      by frojack (1554) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday April 22 2014, @07:46PM (#34556) Journal

      I've found a 10% mileage hit using 10% ethanol. In fact my owners manual for the car states this clearly.

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      • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Tuesday April 22 2014, @08:05PM

        by Reziac (2489) on Tuesday April 22 2014, @08:05PM (#34567) Homepage

        Makes a person wonder how massaged the "fuel saving" economics were, eh?

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        • (Score: 2) by frojack on Tuesday April 22 2014, @08:23PM

          by frojack (1554) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday April 22 2014, @08:23PM (#34573) Journal

          Well, the push to ethanol was never about fuel saving, it was always about energy independence.

          The sad bit about is that it appears to have failed to meet either goal.

          Note also an interesting wiki artical on cellulosic ethanol [wikipedia.org]. It explains the various means of getting from plants to ethanol, as well as some research that is in the pipeline.

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          • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Tuesday April 22 2014, @08:28PM

            by Reziac (2489) on Tuesday April 22 2014, @08:28PM (#34578) Homepage

            Too bad that using cellulose didn't become a Thing back when we had mountains of used newspaper... wonder if disposable diapers are a prospect.

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