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posted by n1 on Monday April 21 2014, @08:21PM   Printer-friendly
from the conclusions-would-damage-the-economy dept.

Biofuels have direct, fuel-cycle GHG emissions that are typically 30-90% lower than those for gasoline or diesel fuels. However, since for some biofuels indirect emissions-including from land use change-can lead to greater total emissions than when using petroleum products, policy support needs to be considered on a case by case basis.

The IPCC has released a finalized draft of its Working Group III report. Sourced from Forbes, their analysis: that ethanol is worse than petroleum. The Working Group itself managed to say... Well, after a quick read-through of chapter 8, it appears they managed to keep any actual meaning occluded by a thick screen of political double-speak. So, I guess they said whatever you would like them to have said since nobody can prove any different.

 
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 22 2014, @10:37PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 22 2014, @10:37PM (#34619)

    Sorry for the dumb question, but why ethanol from corn?

    We make ethanol from sugar cane and it's a lot easier. What's the problem with sugar cane? Don't you have places hot enough to cultivate some low-temp tolerating variety?

    It may be a dumb question, but people insist in producing ethanol from corn, when it clearly is not an adequate source... why?

  • (Score: 2) by frojack on Tuesday April 22 2014, @10:56PM

    by frojack (1554) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday April 22 2014, @10:56PM (#34631) Journal

    I'm not sure myself, other than the temperatures, field conditions, rain fall, and strong winters, may (combined) be more suitable for corn crops than cane crops in the central US.

    Corn has the side benefit of being used for other purposes, (cattle/swine feed, beer, corn sugar, etc). Farmers already had the corn planting and harvesting equipment and corn handling infrastructure (silos, elevators, rail car systems, etc) were already in place in most of the US.

    Some say the corn lobby was to blame, but I suspect it was climate and sheer industrial inertia. We had perennial surpluses of feed corn prior to the ethanol industry picking up.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 22 2014, @11:45PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 22 2014, @11:45PM (#34645)

      > I'm not sure myself, other than the temperatures, field conditions, rain fall, and strong winters, may (combined) be more suitable for corn crops than cane crops in the central US.

      As a kid, I was interested in plants (simple curiosity) and planted beans and corn. We had a sugar cane plant (in my backyard... nothing serious). Corn needs a lot of sun or else it will grow weak with whitish underdeveloped cobs. Sugar cane is no different.

      Usually where corn thrives, cane will, too. If not, one can always go back to the lab and artificially select some variety to work its magic faster and avoid the cold months... but I guess the USA South must get plenty of sun throughout the year, as cotton might need a lot of sun, too (I have no knowledge about cotton).

      That funny grass mentioned is also an option -- but sugar cane and corn are all grasses, too.

      > Corn has the side benefit of being used for other purposes, (cattle/swine feed, beer, corn sugar, etc).

      I'm under the impression that being good for a lot of things probably makes something not so good at one specific use...

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 23 2014, @12:13PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 23 2014, @12:13PM (#34818)

        I searched a little and saw (on Wikipedia) that cane can be planted, under favorable conditions, up to 33ºN. That would be a small area in the USA south (from half Texas to the entire Florida). I don't know if water is enough, maybe corn uses less.

        A problem is sugar cane can be harvested up to 10 times (Wikipedia) while corn only once. The roots would never resist being frozen, which I think does not ordinarily happen (but last time it seems it snowed in Florida).

        Well, you could always try to import ethanol from Mexico, as it seems they're in better shape to cultivate sugar cane, should they want to do it (I'm not Mexican).