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posted by martyb on Tuesday June 28 2016, @06:12AM   Printer-friendly
from the When-Betteridge-says-yes? dept.

Employees and employers alike have the right under at-will employment laws in almost all states to end their relationship without notice, for any reason, but the two-week rule is a widely accepted standard of workplace conduct. Now Sue Shellenbarger writes at The Wall Street Journal that employers say a growing number of workers are leaving without giving two weeks' notice.

Some bosses blame young employees who feel frustrated by limited prospects or have little sense of attachment to their workplace. But employment experts say some older workers are quitting without notice as well. They feel overworked or unappreciated after years of laboring under pay cuts and expanded workloads imposed during the recession. One employee at Dupray, a customer-service rep, scheduled a meeting and announced she was quitting, then rose and headed for the exit. She seemed surprised when the director of human resources stopped her and explained that employees are expected to give two weeks' notice. "She said, 'I've been watching 'Suits,' and this is how it happens,' " referring to the TV drama set in a law firm.

According to Shellenbarger, quitting without notice is sometimes justified. Employees with access to proprietary information, such as those working in sales or new-product development, face a conflict of interest if they accept a job with a competitor. Employees in such cases typically depart right away—ideally, by mutual agreement. It can also be best to exit quickly if an employer is abusive, or if you suspect your employer is doing something illegal.

More often, however, quitting without notice "is done in the heat of emotion, by someone who is completely frustrated, angry, offended or upset," says David Lewis, president of OperationsInc., a Norwalk, Conn., human-resources consulting firm. That approach can burn bridges and generate bad references. Phyllis Hartman says employees have a responsibility to try to communicate about what's wrong. "Start figuring out if there is anything you can do to fix it. The worst that can happen is that nobody listens or they tell you no."


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  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:26AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:26AM (#366911)

    You know, if they think it is OK to let me know that there is not enough enrollment for me to have a class to teach one week before the term begins, I have no ethical problems telling them that I am not available at any point less than that. Bastards. Deserve what they get. I do feel for the students that are the victims of the "just in time" fucking MBAs that seem to have taken over the administration positions in most Universities. Perhaps we could provide them with similar conditions of employment? Of course, since most of the tuition money seems to go to administration, perhaps we could just string them up in the Quad? Most legitimate schools have appropriate trees.

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  • (Score: 2) by Capt. Obvious on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:36AM

    by Capt. Obvious (6089) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:36AM (#366916)

    This one feels kinda fair. They won't know if there are students in that class until enrollment ends. But students need to know if there will be an option for a class when signing up.

    • (Score: 2) by looorg on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:49AM

      by looorg (578) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:49AM (#366924)

      I know this might be different from country to country and application-system to system. But they should know enrollment numbers a lot sooner then a week or two in advance. Where I am now, in northern Europe, students apply in the spring (for the autumn classes), they get accepted in the june/july and classes doesn't start until end of august/early september. Between first acceptance and the actual start tho things might change but usually not drastically - like going from full to nothing or the other way around.

      That said this sort of thing still does happen but are more like - someone quits or is senior enough to be able to ignore 'teaching' and they just with days or a weeks notice at best tell you that you have to teach a class. It happens, it has happened.

      As far as notice goes I think it's three months here, but then people do surprise quit and leave all the time anyway or notice is overlooked somehow, a common thing tends to be that you give notice and then you go on vacation for the remaining time. I can't recall anyone (friend or foe) that gave notice and actually worked or stuck around for the required time.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:20AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:20AM (#366957)

        I know this might be different from country to country and application-system to system. But they should know enrollment numbers a lot sooner then a week or two in advance. Where I am now, in northern Europe, students apply in the spring (for the autumn classes), they get accepted in the june/july and classes doesn't start until end of august/early september.

        Huh, interesting. Here in Japan - or at least at my university - class sign-ups begin about two or three weeks after the semester starts. That way you can attend a class once or twice to see if you like it before signing up for it.

        On the other hand, I've never heard of a class being cancelled for low attendance. The smallest class I've been in had five or six students, I've heard stories about classes with two or three people. I don't know what happens if literally no-one signs up, but it seems that even a single student is enough to keep it going :) Well, at least for that one semester.

        • (Score: 2) by looorg on Tuesday June 28 2016, @02:42PM

          by looorg (578) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @02:42PM (#367082)

          Huh, interesting. Here in Japan - or at least at my university - class sign-ups begin about two or three weeks after the semester starts. That way you can attend a class once or twice to see if you like it before signing up for it.
          On the other hand, I've never heard of a class being cancelled for low attendance. The smallest class I've been in had five or six students, I've heard stories about classes with two or three people. I don't know what happens if literally no-one signs up, but it seems that even a single student is enough to keep it going :) Well, at least for that one semester.

          I think we are talking about different things. What I mentioned was when students applied to take a course or what not. When the course starts they then have two-three weeks where they have to register for the course - which in essence is when they claim the place they have previously been offered (and applied for). They have previously accepted it and the spot is reserved for them but they also when the class start have to register for the course. They don't cancel classes due to low registration tho, as far as I know. But they can be cancelled by low (or no) application.

          The smallest class I have been in was three people, there wasn't even classes - we just met in the professors office. I seem to recall they mentioning that 5ish is the smallest amount but clearly that is just a guideline.