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posted by martyb on Saturday July 23 2016, @11:47PM   Printer-friendly
from the for-certain-values-of-utopia dept.

Paraphrased: a Bloomberg Businessweek report that Nicole Antal, a librarian in Sharon, Vermont discovered that a Utah-based foundation had quietly purchased more than 900 acres of nearby farmland adjacent or close to the birthplace of Joseph Smith.

The mastermind of the purchases, a wealthy engineer named David Hall, made contact with Antal and was very forthcoming about his vision - sustainable, high-tech, high-density communities across the globe; with a trial run in Vermont based on the Plat of the City of Zion. While all that sounded a bit farfetched, Hall revealed that he already had more than 150 engineers working on technology and architecture for the project.

Vermont, famous for being fiercely proud, idealistic, and ornery (this guy being one of the more famous residents) were stirred into a frenzy, with the opposition concerned that Hall was attempting to start a cult.

Hall is a fourth-generation Mormon. "Joseph Smith was just the wildest guy out there," he says. "Lots of things he did were stupid, but in my view, he was a sage or a seer and didn't even understand what came to him." The more futuristic aspects of his plans include pedestrian communities which sustain individual privacy and views of nature. Rooftop farms will make use of advanced techniques drawn from marijuana cultivation, and box-shaped greenhouses will improve yields and prevent the spread of disease and insects. Ground-floor spaces will be occupied by businesses, all connected by enclosed walkways and space for moving "pods" that transport the sick and elderly.

The article is a bit long even for an adequate summary here, but there are many technological aspects of Hall's plans worth reading about, and it is refreshing to see that somebody is concentrating on the positive rather than the negative. What do you think?


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  • (Score: 1) by lcall on Monday July 25 2016, @08:31PM

    by lcall (4611) on Monday July 25 2016, @08:31PM (#380026)

    What you say has been discussed academically much more than we are going to cover here. From wikipedia: "Since its first publication and distribution, critics of the Book of Mormon have claimed that it was fabricated by Smith[6][7][8] and that he drew material and ideas from various sources rather than translating an ancient record. Works that have been suggested as sources include the King James Bible,[34][35] The Wonders of Nature,[36][37] View of the Hebrews,[7][8][38] and an unpublished manuscript written by Solomon Spalding.[39][40][41] FairMormon maintains that all of these theories have been disproved and discredited, arguing that both Mormon and non-Mormon historians have found serious flaws in their research [42][43][44][45][46][47]".

    The information required to "write" that book wasn't available to him personally; much of it wasn't available to academia in the US (like big structures in mesoamerica etc). A number of people felt and hefted the metal (gold) plates, and lived out their lives without denying it, and even though some became disaffected, they never denied their experiences with the Book of Mormon and the source plates. The Peterson reference from earlier are very interesting about the specifics of the history, and debunking many things. Then there are others like Nibley who wrote about 20+ books, the journals of many who knew Joseph Smith personally, etc.

    There are the "fruits"/results of those beliefs in the lives of millions. The early Mormons were made refugees multiple times for their beliefs before landing in a place no one else wanted and where it said nothing could grow. My ancestors were there and I have been to the family reunions and read the journals and seen the effects in multiple generations of individuals' lives, of those beliefs (the best thing any of us have, frankly). And they built schools and homes etc etc. Tolstoy and Dickens saw & commented on those early people and their high character. (You can search if you want refs.)

    For example, Nibley's analyses of the book's reflections of ancient near eastern culture, and of the cultures of the asian steppes, is fascinating, and shows the book has cultural connections that were frankly contrary to what academia thought at the time, but academic sources have learned much more since, that help it all fit together. It's comparable to walls of Jericho being discovered by archaeologists, when people thought those parts of the Bible were fictional. There is so much more, and over my small lifetime of personal study, it just keeps getting better and better.

    But most importantly, and regardless of anything in the above being proven true or false, or anything: I have read the Book of Mormon itself, studied and tested it personally. It's amazing. We could debate endlessly and not convince each other, because it seems we want different things, so we will weigh and quote things differently ad nauseam. That's OK I guess.

    You can read it and test it, too, and you will find it is nothing like the shallow work described by those who prefer to tear down than to build. I have read the book, tried it, and I know what I know. It helps me get through many things, and I am grateful! It's amazing.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Tuesday July 26 2016, @04:09AM

    by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday July 26 2016, @04:09AM (#380176) Journal

    You can read it and test it, too, and you will find it is nothing like the shallow work described by those who prefer to tear down than to build.

    Been there, done that, and it came to pass. The Book of Mormon is obviously fake. I especially liked the "Whore of Babylon" references, rather thinly disguised attacks on Catholicism. But the cake is the "Pearl of Great Price", allegedly translated by the illiterate Joseph Smith from some papyrus scraps he managed to purchase from some antiquities dealer. Of course, even better are the Salamander Letters, kind of a first draft of the Book, where a white salamander speaks to Joe instead of the Angle Moron. I suspect mushrooms.

    I hope you reach the point where you can stand on your own and are not threatened by others pointing out that you are an obvious victim of a multi-generational con.

    • (Score: 1) by lcall on Tuesday July 26 2016, @02:34PM

      by lcall (4611) on Tuesday July 26 2016, @02:34PM (#380298)

      I disagree, but those things have also been covered elsewhere in the sources I mentioned. I'm sorry your own reading experience was so different than mine. Each person can see and decide for themselves.

      • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Tuesday July 26 2016, @08:06PM

        by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday July 26 2016, @08:06PM (#380423) Journal

        But none is so blind, as those who will not see! Yes, everyone can decide what they want, but some of them will be deciding wrong. As someone said not too long ago, you may be entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts. The truth is one.