posted by
NCommander
on Friday April 25 2014, @05:30PM
from the live-free-or-die dept.
So, first off, I want to apologize for the extended period of time it took to perform due diligence and research various locales in which this organization should incorporate. For some background on the rest of the plan you can read my previous post on incorporation as a step towards setting up a not-for-profit organization. My 10k-word notes are up on the wiki, but I have finally nailed it down to New Hampshire based on very favourable local state laws, as well as favourable court cases in the First Circuit of Appeals. This has been a long research and discovery process, but now I have a chance to start working out the bylaws and site governance matters on a larger scale. This represents our first major step towards self-sufficiency. Check past the break for more information.First off, I'm happy to finally start moving forward on this. This write-up has been very tiring, though I continue in trying to provide justification for the actions I take on behalf of the site. I'll be blunt, this nearly broke my will to go on, but I can at least say there's a light at the end of the tunnel. I'm working with Matt Angel to locate a legal firm to help us through incorporation, and we're working to get emails drafted to the EFF and such. Unless our lawyers tell us good reasons not to incorporate in NH, we should all expect to legally exist in the Granite State sometime in the near future.
Right now, I'm getting ready to relocate to New Hampshire to oversee the incorporation, and hope to be there sometime in the next week (currently debating where I'm going to live, I liked Portsmouth when I was there previously). Our next steps is to get things vetted and see if there's anything in particular that may be problematic that I missed in my research, though given New Hampshire's reputation as a politically active state, I do not expect any issues in that regard.
To celebrate this milestone, I've temporarily changed the site logo and slogan to reflect our status. The document on the wiki outlining the fruits of my US incorporation research is open to criticism, feedback, and general review, so if you feel I missed something, pipe up now. Until then, remember, live free or die!
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What makes you say the Free State Project [freestateproject.org] has fizzled?
Just to be clear, since people read all kinds of things into short comments: I am not a libertarian, but I support your right to be a libertarian, and I wish the FSP all the best.
-- [Sir Garlon] is the marvellest knight that is now living, for he destroyeth many good knights, for he goeth invisible.
It didn't fizzle at all, but it didn't get the reaction at all that it expected. (I was born and raised in NH, and know some of the established political players personally, so I have some sense of the story.)
Basically, what happened was that the libertarians moved into NH, settled in the lovely towns that are all over the state, ran some candidates for the state House, won (not too hard - because there are 400 House seats for 1 million residence, that works out to about 1200 votes per winning candidate), and their leaders went to Concord ready to do battle for libertarian ideals.
If their image of politics was shaped by what was going on in Washington DC, they were in for a surprise, because the reaction of the other legislators (majority Democrat at the time) was along the lines of "Hi, nice to meet you! We're looking forward to what ideas you might have about how to make the state better. If you need any assistance working with the various offices in the state, please let us know."
What some of the Free Staters hadn't realized before that moment is that in New Hampshire the political culture focuses more on effective and good government than on party affiliation. As an example or this in action, the Secretary of State Bill Gardner (a Democrat) was appointed in 1976 by the then-Republican leaning legislature and Republican governor, and has been consistently re-appointed by both Democrats and Republicans ever since because everyone recognizes that he's both very good at doing the work and fair to everyone. It probably also makes a big difference that there are about 10 full-time politicians in the entire state (governor, 2 senators, 2 federal congresspeople, and a few city mayors), and holding any other office is essentially a volunteer role.
-- The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 25 2014, @08:57PM
by Anonymous Coward
on Friday April 25 2014, @08:57PM (#36342)
Well, I assumed it fizzled in the sense that nowhere near the number of people signed up for it as they expected. NH politics aren't bad, but when I lived in the neighborhood, southern NH was being invaded by Boston workers looking for cheaper digs. Granted, I haven't been there for a long time, but I had the impression that things were going in the wrong (read "progressive") political direction.
Ah yes, an underrated gem with a throat of gold. Anybody with an interest in serious discourse should learn from his extensive catalog which contains such thought-provoking songwriting with hits such as "Sleeping in my Piss," "Fucking the Dog," "Expose Yourself to Kids," and "I'm Gonna Rape You."
(Score: 2) by bradley13 on Friday April 25 2014, @05:39PM
Good choice - New Hampshire is a good place. I always hoped that the Free State project would make it even better, but that seems to have fizzled...
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by NCommander on Friday April 25 2014, @05:50PM
I heard about FSP. Since I'm heading to FSP, I'm going to look at signing it.
Still always moving
(Score: 1) by Cornwallis on Friday April 25 2014, @06:22PM
Why do you say it fizzled? I believe the FSP is still growing.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Sir Garlon on Friday April 25 2014, @06:22PM
What makes you say the Free State Project [freestateproject.org] has fizzled?
Just to be clear, since people read all kinds of things into short comments: I am not a libertarian, but I support your right to be a libertarian, and I wish the FSP all the best.
[Sir Garlon] is the marvellest knight that is now living, for he destroyeth many good knights, for he goeth invisible.
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Friday April 25 2014, @06:26PM
Well, apparently it did ruin some townships, so there's that.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Thexalon on Friday April 25 2014, @08:10PM
It didn't fizzle at all, but it didn't get the reaction at all that it expected. (I was born and raised in NH, and know some of the established political players personally, so I have some sense of the story.)
Basically, what happened was that the libertarians moved into NH, settled in the lovely towns that are all over the state, ran some candidates for the state House, won (not too hard - because there are 400 House seats for 1 million residence, that works out to about 1200 votes per winning candidate), and their leaders went to Concord ready to do battle for libertarian ideals.
If their image of politics was shaped by what was going on in Washington DC, they were in for a surprise, because the reaction of the other legislators (majority Democrat at the time) was along the lines of "Hi, nice to meet you! We're looking forward to what ideas you might have about how to make the state better. If you need any assistance working with the various offices in the state, please let us know."
What some of the Free Staters hadn't realized before that moment is that in New Hampshire the political culture focuses more on effective and good government than on party affiliation. As an example or this in action, the Secretary of State Bill Gardner (a Democrat) was appointed in 1976 by the then-Republican leaning legislature and Republican governor, and has been consistently re-appointed by both Democrats and Republicans ever since because everyone recognizes that he's both very good at doing the work and fair to everyone. It probably also makes a big difference that there are about 10 full-time politicians in the entire state (governor, 2 senators, 2 federal congresspeople, and a few city mayors), and holding any other office is essentially a volunteer role.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 25 2014, @08:57PM
Well, I assumed it fizzled in the sense that nowhere near the number of people signed up for it as they expected. NH politics aren't bad, but when I lived in the neighborhood, southern NH was being invaded by Boston workers looking for cheaper digs. Granted, I haven't been there for a long time, but I had the impression that things were going in the wrong (read "progressive") political direction.
Good news?
(Score: 2) by M. Baranczak on Friday April 25 2014, @11:25PM
Fun facts about the Granite State:
- The alarm clock was invented there.
- It's the birthplace of great Americans like astronaut Alan Shepard, porn star Erica Campbell, and pop crooner G.G. Allin.
- It's not true that there's a sign on I-95 North in Kittery that says "Welcome to Maine, sorry about New Hampshire".
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday April 26 2014, @01:14AM
Ah yes, an underrated gem with a throat of gold. Anybody with an interest in serious discourse should learn from his extensive catalog which contains such thought-provoking songwriting with hits such as "Sleeping in my Piss," "Fucking the Dog," "Expose Yourself to Kids," and "I'm Gonna Rape You."
(Score: 1) by Immerman on Saturday April 26 2014, @05:45AM
>The alarm clock was invented there.
Well that tears it. I had liked most of what I heard about New Hampshire, but now I have no choice but to destroy them all and salt the ground.