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Jeff Williams, Alexey Ovchinin, Oleg Skripochka have returned to Earth from the International Space Station:
Less than a week after winding up a successful spacewalk, outgoing space station commander Jeff Williams, America's most experienced astronaut, joined two Russian cosmonauts for a fiery return to Earth Tuesday, closing out a 172-day mission with an on-target landing in Kazakhstan.
[...] The four-minute 41-second burn slowed the ship by 286 mph, just enough to drop the far side of the orbit deep into Earth's atmosphere. After a 25-minute free fall to just above the top of the discernible atmosphere, the three modules making up the Soyuz TMA-20M spacecraft separated. A few moments after that, the central crew cabin, the only module protected by a heat shield, slammed into the atmosphere at an altitude of 62 miles and a velocity of some 17,000 mph. Using atmospheric friction to slow down, the descent module's main parachute deployed at an altitude of a little less than seven miles and the spacecraft settled to the steppe of Kazakhstan.
[...] For Williams, the end of the mission marked a personal milestone. On Aug. 20, he surpassed the U.S. record for most cumulative time in space -- 520 days -- that was set earlier this year by astronaut Scott Kelly at the end of his nearly yearlong mission. With landing Tuesday, Williams' mark will stand at 534 days aloft over four missions, moving him up to 14th on the list of most experienced spacemen. The overall record is held by Gennady Padalka, who has logged 878 days in space over five missions.
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Wednesday September 07 2016, @06:00PM
It's amazing that humans are capable of doing science in LEO. We can successfully send people up into LEO, where they can work and live for extended periods of time, and we can successfully bring them back to Earth. Borders aren't visible from that high up—just one planet with one intelligent species.
(Score: 3, Touché) by bob_super on Wednesday September 07 2016, @06:03PM
> one intelligent species
The dolphins would like to remind you that both the ants and the bonobos are pretty smart.
(Score: 2, Funny) by kurenai.tsubasa on Wednesday September 07 2016, @06:14PM
Oh, that's odd. I'd assumed the dolphins had already left the planet!
(Score: 4, Funny) by bob_super on Wednesday September 07 2016, @06:17PM
I entered the wrong address in the Vogon database. Probably distracted by some poetry.
In somewhat related news, we can stop looking for planet X (or 9).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 07 2016, @06:32PM
I get the dolphins and the bonobos (I would argue that any animal capable of recognising itself in the mirror is worth mentioning, and all apes do that, plus whales and dolphins), but why the ants?
maybe I'm stupid, but I can't easily imagine ants "thinking" in a fashion that could lead to science and technology (arguably, it's hard to imagine that for marine mammals as well).
(Score: 2) by t-3 on Wednesday September 07 2016, @07:02PM
Ants don't need science or technology, or the damocles' sword of resource hungry brains that make them possible. They've evolved complex societies and adaptive behavior to the point that it's almost impossible to imagine a future where the human species outlasts them. Evolutionarily, they are almost certainly better suited to long term survival, and our only advantage is possibly being able to colonize other planets or make permanent outposts in space, but in that case, they'll probably hitch a ride and be there right along with us.
(Score: 3, Informative) by LoRdTAW on Wednesday September 07 2016, @06:36PM
Meanwhile the octopodes are patiently biding time in the shadows and opening boxes [youtube.com].
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday September 07 2016, @09:36PM
Octopus and Parrots too.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by el_oscuro on Wednesday September 07 2016, @09:45PM
For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much—the wheel, New York, wars and so on—whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man—for precisely the same reasons.
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(Score: 1) by tftp on Thursday September 08 2016, @04:54AM
But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man—for precisely the same reasons.
I entirely missed the news about dolphins inventing and using high-tech healthcare that makes their lives longer and happier :-) Those are objective measures of success, as you cannot succeed if you are dead. Short lifespan (under 20 years) and lack of permanent, cross-generational records (difficult in water and without hands) unavoidably impede development of the society.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 08 2016, @07:18AM
Some 70 years, of which around 45 is wasted working to make other people rich and another 15 is wasted in schools preparing for the same. That leaves us with about 10 years to enjoy, half of which being when we are too old to remember what we enjoy.
Compared to 20 years to enjoy for dolphins.
I think the dolphins have a pretty good point.
(Score: 1) by tftp on Friday September 09 2016, @05:55AM
Some 70 years, of which around 45 is wasted working to make other people rich and another 15 is wasted in schools preparing for the same. That leaves us with about 10 years to enjoy, half of which being when we are too old to remember what we enjoy.
Hardly any modern human willingly chooses to become a full-time hunter-gatherer instead of going to school, getting a job, buying a car and raising a family. I wonder why :-)
(Score: 1, Redundant) by Gravis on Wednesday September 07 2016, @07:06PM
I don't see why you had to bring dolphins into the conversation. ;)
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday September 07 2016, @06:35PM
If we had sent up two astronauts, and three returned. To date, we have not recovered any more astronauts than we have sent up.
Think any women would volunteer to have their babies in space, in the interest of science and tabloid fame?
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 2) by RedGreen on Wednesday September 07 2016, @07:38PM
"Think any women would volunteer to have their babies in space, in the interest of science and tabloid fame?"
There is more than a few Kardashian women I would think one of them attention whores would be a prime candidate.
"I modded down, down, down, and the flames went higher." -- Sven Olsen
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Wednesday September 07 2016, @07:42PM
Yuck! The process is messy enough when gravity keeps it localized.
That said. It will definitely happen, eventually. But high-G rocket launches are not recommended in your third trimester, so she's gonna have to spend quite some time eating dehydrated ice cream and strawberries.
(Score: 3, Funny) by tangomargarine on Wednesday September 07 2016, @08:55PM
obligatory xkcd [xkcd.com]
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 08 2016, @06:52AM
With Runaway, oh, god, do I have to say it again?? Evidently. With Runaway, it is always about sex. Randy bugger.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday September 08 2016, @02:07PM
Runaway is a sexegenarian - and you're jealous.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 08 2016, @09:56PM
Why do you hate bonobos?
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 07 2016, @09:54PM
Here is why:
I would like for the astronauts on an EVA to perform the action of panning a camera 360 degrees, including in a continuous uncut shot a view of the Earth, as in the movie 'Gravity', and there is no such shot yet.
Furthermore, no public footage exists that shows the astronauts prepping up for spacewalks, and then showing them going out the airlock from the inside of the station, so I would like to see that as well.
I would also like to see 24/7 footage for the numerous HD cameras that ought to be on the station. The official youtube channel only claims to provide such footage, but it does not, and it was also announced that it will be canceled, all very suspicious. So I would like to have an as continuous feed as possible, and I see no reason why there would be areas that it gets cut because there are numerous satellites up there to relay data, and ships or buoys could be deployed on the ocean, along with drones and balloons to complete the gaps.
All these are not unreasonable demands coming from anybody on Earth, especially if one considers how much tax money has been funneled into this non-military project, which is also international, and high-edge research experiments are performed on that platform that are of interest and proclaimed to be executed for the benefit of the whole humankind. Also, the institutions involved are indeed accountable for the public funds they are allocated.
In more involved issues (I work with extreme temperature fluids) I have investigated many sources and have not heard an explanation of how the station endures the extremities in temperature of that altitude: sure the air there is very thin to conduct heat, but there is nothing to shield it from the Solar radiation, and those are temperatures that would turn most metals red hot by irradiation alone, as it done in vacuum furnaces (a standard) in the industry. So I would like to hear some more detail on how the ammonia-based cooling system allows the ISS to get around that. Is there a secondary system based on some other fluid? If so, how does it operate? How exactly is this extra heat dumped, and how are external components of the ISS cooled? I am sad to see NASA experts laugh and waive valid engineering questions away, and I have even heard sneer and snark like "with pretty awesome engineering". This cannot be considered an adult answer in any way, it sounds extremely unprofessional, and I frankly wonder how they get away with it.
Personally, I have excessively worked with valves and hydraulics, and I am very much interested to understand how is it possible to operate the complicated network that circulates and scrubs all those different species of fluids (breathable air, exhaled air, ammonia, water & urine) circulates against vacuum: how are valves, scrubbers and other components maintained? Those things need constant maintenance and replacement, and I have seen them replace an external component only once at the ISS, and never on the inside (they MUST have, but not shown it perhaps), so I welcome any input on this.
From an engineer's point of view, I cannot help wonder how is it possible that the shutter on the cupola closes so fast with a small rotation of a knob that has no actuator, as demonstrated by an astronaut on a 'Smarter Every Day' video? And how is it possible that this component is exposed to vacuum on one side, and atmospheric pressure on the other with only two o-rings holding the thing together without leaks (same video)? What material are they made from, and what is its tolerance to temperature and the thermal expansion response? How often does this component need replacement?
And the most puzzling to me is: how is it possible that the ISS operates WITHOUT a machine shop? A machine shop is standard protocol in submarines (the closest analogue I can think of). All they have ever showed of using is a screwdriver-like tool. What if they need to modify and adjust spare parts that need welding, what happens then??
(Score: 2) by deadstick on Thursday September 08 2016, @02:36AM
Thank you, Alex.
(Score: 3, Informative) by LoRdTAW on Thursday September 08 2016, @03:07PM
Vacuum is something I know a thing or two about after dealing with electron beam welders for the past few years. A shaft passing from atmosphere to a vacuum is called a mechanical feed-through. It can rotate, move linearly or both. There are also electrical feed-throughs as well. Air is a fluid composed of various gasses. A vacuum is the absence of most of that fluid creating a pressure differential. It's the same thing as sealing an air compressor system which has a much higher pressure differential. The seal is nothing more than an Oring or quadseal (looks like a cross shaped o ring with four sealing surfaces instead of two). The material is usually a synthetic rubber such as the very common buna (nitrile) rubber or more exotic fluroelastomers can be used. A bled of the two is also found and one blend commonly used is called viton. It has excellent vacuum characteristics such as low out-gassing and good heat resistance on top of good wear resistance. Out-gassing is a problem as it can degrade the material by "sucking out" the binders which hold it together. They become brittle and either fail mechanically by falling apart or crack causing leaks in the case of a static seal.
How long do they last? Depends. A rotating shaft that sees constant use might last a few years. A much less used shaft might last many years, or decades. We have similar rotating shafts in our machines. One which drives a moving table sees daily use running at a few hundred RPM. It can last 1-3 years using buna wetted with a vacuum compatible grease which both lubricates and keeps it from drying out. A very similar shutter to the one you described which protects the operator view port from heavy weld spatter and vapor have seals that I know on some machine haven't been touched in over 20 years. The less use, the longer they last.
Another method of sealing a linear loving shaft is to use metal bellows which usually cover the shaft on the vacuum side. They are welded or bolted with a metal seal to the housing and the shaft which provide a very long lasting vacuum seal. They are commonly found in poppet and gate type vacuum valves. They also are found on micrometer type linear feed-throughs to precisely adjust the innards of sensitive vacuum processes such as the specimen in a scanning electron microscope. that can't rotate so are linear only. Quad seals are the less costly method of sealing a linear shaft and also permit rotation as well. There is also the cupseal which is a sort of U shaped rubber doughnut that allows for axial misalignment and play. They each have their place and our machines have a combination of all of these types of vacuum seals throughout its various parts.
And finally, the best static seals are made with a soft metal gasket. The standard CF, or conflat flange used for high vacuum hardware uses a flat copper gasket that is sandwiched between two stainless steel flanges. The flanges have a knife edge that bite into the gasket and form a really good vacuum seal. As far as I know, they last almost indefinitely but are one time use. Fun fact: they use aluminum in a lot of vacuum chambers for large high vacuum experiments because it's easy to form and machine vs stainless as well as being cheaper. But it's softer than copper. So they use explosive welding to bond a stainless steel flange to an aluminum flange using a thin layer of tantalum between to help the bond. The stainless is harder than the copper for sealing and the aluminum side is welded to the apparatus.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 08 2016, @04:02PM
Very informative answer, especially on the seals, many thanks.
I wish they had some schematic out and some details on the hydraulics of the ISS, as it is always mandatory to service those systems against vacuum since the ISS never lowers its altitude. I can only assume that when an outer component fails, they will have to create a live bypass and weld/replace on spot while 'live', otherwise all fluid will be sucked outside of the system, and even the best serviceman would never manage 0% leaks (especially in a clumsy astronaut suite)
I am still very much in doubt as to what is the material used in seals, valves and (even worse) pumps, as the wear-and-tear has to be enormous tolerating that temperature range, vacuum which evaporates and petrifies lubricants, all while maintaining its geometry and acting as an effective seal. They did show two o-rings on that 'Smarter Every Day' video so I can only guess that this might be the 'viton' you mentioned. I still don't get the 'cupola' shutter contraption, though, as demonstrated live by the astronaut: it has no actuators at all!
(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Friday September 09 2016, @05:03PM
They use a lot of connectors and valves between modules and components to avoid needing to weld. Connectors I see are similar to VCR/VCO and JIC flared fittings for tubing. They probably design everything to be removable and easily replaced without cutting or joining. So its just a few basic tools like wrenches, sockets and screwdrivers. Same with electronics, they use circular pin and sleeve connectors as well as D-sub, coaxial and so forth.
No such thing as zero leaks. We deal with them all the time. You just have to perform basic PM and have a procedure for leak checking. If you think about it, the pressure differential between the inside and outside is atmosphere or 14.7PSI/1013kpa. So it's not very hard to seal.
The trick is dealing with the radiation, temperature, and vacuum. Most metals are fine in a vacuum as with radiation. But common plastics will out gas in a vacuum becoming brittle and also don't like ionizing radiation for the same reason. Nylon wire ties in our vacuum chambers used to support cables running to our CNC fixtures will become brittle and crumble because of vacuum and x-ray bombardment. So we use kapton tape and metal supports or replace nylon ties when necessary. They may last a few months or more depending on quality.
As for the temperature, more exotic alloys and metals are used such as inconel, chromoly, molybdeum Invar, Kovar, titanium and more. Invar and Kovar are the two commonly used alloys for high temp differential stuff. We weld a lot of that stuff going into satellites.