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posted by mattie_p on Wednesday February 19 2014, @09:33PM   Printer-friendly
from the exhibit-a-is-the-entire-website dept.

DeathMonkey writes:

"Dimitris Lioudis, a 23-year-old trainee lawyer from Athens, was sued for libel last year for writing about a Greek politician, Theodore Katsanevas. Last week, the judge overseeing the case issued an order that he remove the article from the site.

That got the attention of the Wikimedia Foundation, which has now made a public vow to support Liourdis throughout the litigation.

Say what you will about the Wiki, at least they know where their content comes from."

 
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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by mrcoolbp on Wednesday February 19 2014, @09:43PM

    by mrcoolbp (68) <mrcoolbp@soylentnews.org> on Wednesday February 19 2014, @09:43PM (#2888) Homepage

    Well I support free speech, and as he was posting a matter of public record, I am glad to see Wiki stand behind their editors.

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    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 19 2014, @11:03PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 19 2014, @11:03PM (#2950)

      Best part ... "English-language Wikipedia did not host a page about Katsanevas at all until Friday, when the dispute was publicized to the community by Wikimedia's blog post."

      Streisand Effect!

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 19 2014, @09:43PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 19 2014, @09:43PM (#2889)

    First Post!

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by nitehawk214 on Wednesday February 19 2014, @09:55PM

    by nitehawk214 (1304) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @09:55PM (#2899)

    It was not obvious in the summary that he is being sued for things he put into Wikipedia.

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    • (Score: 4, Informative) by Random2 on Wednesday February 19 2014, @10:01PM

      by Random2 (669) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @10:01PM (#2905)

      Not to mention that the guy's trying to sue libel for an editor adding to wiki how he was called a 'family disgrace' in several international newspapers.

      Have newspapers been sued for things like this before? Can one be sued for libel for publicly available information (made public before they repeated it)?

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      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by nitehawk214 on Wednesday February 19 2014, @10:26PM

        by nitehawk214 (1304) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @10:26PM (#2921)

        I suppose one can be sued for anything, no matter how stupid it is...

        But, yeah, how can I be sued if I just quote another person. "Random2 said he thinks you are a jackass."

        If you really said it, how can they get mad at me?

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    • (Score: 1) by Walzmyn on Wednesday February 19 2014, @10:38PM

      by Walzmyn (987) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @10:38PM (#2930)

      Also on the subject of Vagueness, "Athens, Greece" would be better.
      I live within driving distance of 3 cities named Athens. It was confusing.

      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 19 2014, @11:28PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 19 2014, @11:28PM (#2968)

        Good to know that it is so easy to confuse ... (googles all cities named "Athens") ... an American.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Maow on Thursday February 20 2014, @12:25AM

        by Maow (8) on Thursday February 20 2014, @12:25AM (#3005) Homepage

        Also on the subject of Vagueness, "Athens, Greece" would be better.
        I live within driving distance of 3 cities named Athens. It was confusing.

        How about you assume that a three thousand four hundred year old metropolis, home to > 600,000 inside the city or > 3,000,000 including the region, is the default Athens unless "Athens, Butt Crack" or "Athens, Arm Pit", etc. are specified?

        • (Score: 1) by Walzmyn on Thursday February 20 2014, @01:58AM

          by Walzmyn (987) on Thursday February 20 2014, @01:58AM (#3063)

          Was only an example. I've seen this a bunch when they were referring to (hypothetical) Athens TN instead of the 3k year old one.

      • (Score: 1) by mrcoolbp on Thursday February 20 2014, @04:58AM

        by mrcoolbp (68) <mrcoolbp@soylentnews.org> on Thursday February 20 2014, @04:58AM (#3183) Homepage

        Maybe vagueness should be avoided, but they mention a Greek Politician later in the sentence. Seems pretty obvious.

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    • (Score: -1, Troll) by unimatrix on Wednesday February 19 2014, @11:31PM

      by unimatrix (1983) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @11:31PM (#2970)

      Hey, new site, same old problems with editors...well if this is any indication, I'd say the folks here are on their way towards creating a worthy successor to that other site that shall not be named!

      • (Score: 5, Informative) by mattie_p on Thursday February 20 2014, @12:18AM

        by mattie_p (13) on Thursday February 20 2014, @12:18AM (#2998) Journal

        Hey there! Editor here. I'd love to hear what problems you might have with the editors. I don't know if you heard, but we're kind of new at this. But we want to get better. If you have any constructive criticism, then feel free to post it. I do want to do a better job.

        I suspect the reason you got modded down was because you weren't specific. After all, "knowing is half the battle!" I hope you continue reading. ~mattie_p

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 20 2014, @02:32AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 20 2014, @02:32AM (#3081)

          And would seem thanks to the modding I can no longer post comments as it appears as those with senses of humor didn't make the jump over here. Merely pointing out the fact that people complained about the editors at /. to the point where it was it's own meme there and it seems that tradition has already carried over. Guess I should have added old boss/new boss, something about cars, and all the rest...

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by mattie_p on Thursday February 20 2014, @02:49AM

            by mattie_p (13) on Thursday February 20 2014, @02:49AM (#3092) Journal

            I'm sorry about that. This bug was identified about a week ago (by me, as a matter of fact). Please hop on the IRC and we'll see if someone can't patch you up. Thanks for coming back and checking, though. http://irc.sylnt.us/ [sylnt.us] will get you in enough that we can help.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by ancientt on Thursday February 20 2014, @02:40AM

          by ancientt (40) <ancientt@yahoo.com> on Thursday February 20 2014, @02:40AM (#3087) Homepage Journal

          I was impressed by your efforts to make a better site when the one you loved failed.

          Your efforts to guide the development without crushing egos while still pushing toward a rapid release inspired me to care about this thing.

          Your modesty is becoming.

          This, an answer to what appears to be an obvious troll, with openness and a welcoming spirit makes me respect you.

          Thank you. For this post and for the attitude it reflects and for all the work you've already done.

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by VLM on Wednesday February 19 2014, @09:57PM

    by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 19 2014, @09:57PM (#2903)

    Primary sources are always better stories. Basically there exists a document claimed to be the will of a famous former prime minister, and that document describes the prime minister's relative Katsanevas as a "disgrace to the family".

    The legal history appears to be he's generally successfully bullied locals into submission, but the will has not been declared a fake.

    Oddly enough he didn't start filing lawsuits until after the divorce. Perhaps its easier to win when he can prove he's not a disgrace to the family anymore because he's no longer in the family, so he wins every time on a technicality?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Katsanevas [wikipedia.org]

    Sad thing is he sounds like an otherwise reasonable and good guy. Wants out of the EU, etc etc.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by animal on Wednesday February 19 2014, @10:23PM

      by animal (202) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @10:23PM (#2917)

      Greek politician and a nice guy? We call them Λαμόγια (lamogia) Dont' bother going to Google translate to search for a meaning. It's a Greek politician exclusive.
      Yeah I am Greek, and whatever you say about these lamogia is just not enough.

      • (Score: 5, Informative) by animal on Wednesday February 19 2014, @10:25PM

        by animal (202) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @10:25PM (#2920)

        And it looks like UTF-8 in Greek doesn't work :)

        • (Score: 1) by maxwell demon on Wednesday February 19 2014, @10:43PM

          by maxwell demon (1608) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @10:43PM (#2933) Journal

          And it looks like UTF-8 in Greek doesn't work :)

          I'm trying unsucessfully to answer to this post ... does it work now?

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          • (Score: 1) by maxwell demon on Wednesday February 19 2014, @10:47PM

            by maxwell demon (1608) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @10:47PM (#2938) Journal

            Maybe the previous failure was in relation to Unicode characters ... let's try umlaut letters: äöüÄÖÜß

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        • (Score: 4, Funny) by Random2 on Wednesday February 19 2014, @10:47PM

          by Random2 (669) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @10:47PM (#2937)

          I like the posted version better, personally. Much more expressive.

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          • (Score: 1) by MaxiCat_42 on Thursday February 20 2014, @01:48AM

            by MaxiCat_42 (2087) on Thursday February 20 2014, @01:48AM (#3056)

            I agree, I honestly thought it was intended and fitted quite well.

            Phil.

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        • (Score: 1) by c0lo on Wednesday February 19 2014, @10:53PM

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 19 2014, @10:53PM (#2940) Journal

          Seems to be something wrong in the decoding of the POST parameters.

          When copy/paste using UNICODE, happens like this.

          When using HTML entities, everything is fine (but, of course, that would be expected)

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