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posted by janrinok on Thursday September 15 2016, @06:03AM   Printer-friendly
from the quick-blame-somebody dept.

Edward Snowden is asking the US president to pardon him based on the morality of his action.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/13/edward-snowden-why-barack-obama-should-grant-me-a-pardon

Well, here is a completely opposite view from the other side, so to speak:

http://observer.com/2016/09/were-losing-the-war-against-terrorism/

"Since 9/11, NSA has been the backbone of the Western intelligence alliance against terrorism. Its signals intelligence is responsible for the strong majority of successful counterterrorism operations in the West. More than three-quarters of the time, NSA or one of its close partner Anglosphere spy partners like Britain's GCHQ, develops a lead on a terror cell which is passed to the FBI and others for action which crushes that cell before it kills. If NSA loses the ability to do this, innocent people in many countries will die.

Unfortunately, there's mounting evidence that NSA's edge over the terrorists is waning. It's impossible not to notice that jihadist emphasis on communications security and encryption, which is now gaining ground, began in 2013. That, of course, is when Edward Snowden, an NSA IT contractor, stole something like 1.7 million classified documents from his employer, shared them with outsiders, then defected to Moscow."

"However, our precious edge in the SpyWar is waning fast. We are no longer winning. We're about to hear a great deal of unwarranted praise of Ed Snowden thanks to the hagiographic movie about him by Oliver Stone that's to be released this week. Don't be fooled. Snowden is no hero. In truth, he and his journalist helpers have aided terrorists in important ways. Snowden and his co-conspirators have blood on their hands—and perhaps much more blood soon thanks to their aid to the genocidal maniacs of ISIS."


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Gravis on Thursday September 15 2016, @11:09AM

    by Gravis (4596) on Thursday September 15 2016, @11:09AM (#402214)

    <Gravis> seriously? seriously?! SERIOUSLY?! https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=16/09/14/1417255 [soylentnews.org]
    <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, betcha it gets lots of comments.
    <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: is that all you care about?
    <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i care about quality news
    <TheMightyBuzzard> active discussion? yes. we're a news discussion site not a news site.

    I've noticed a growing trend of troll articles emerging and frankly, it's not something I am willing to support. I spoke with those involved in the site and it appears that they are moving to posting news that will get a response rather than being a good source of well written news stories.

    Slashdot has actually gotten better since DICE sold it off, so I'm going back there.

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  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday September 15 2016, @11:33AM

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday September 15 2016, @11:33AM (#402222) Journal

    The first article is news.

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by takyon on Thursday September 15 2016, @11:52AM

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday September 15 2016, @11:52AM (#402228) Journal

    I think zocalo got it right [soylentnews.org] and you are overreacting (what a shock).

    I spoke with those involved in the site and it appears that they are moving to posting news that will get a response rather than being a good source of well written news stories.

    Did you speak "with" or "at" those involved? You are known for trolling on IRC.

    You say you see a "trend". Why don't you list the last 5 "troll articles", and we can see how bad they are and if "troll articles" even approach 5% of the stories posted.

    Here's the part of the conversation Gravis chose not to quote:

    [10:38:35] <Gravis> seriously? seriously?! SERIOUSLY?! https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=16/09/14/1417255 [soylentnews.org]
    [10:38:36] <dogbox> ^ �03SN article: � Claim: We Are Losing the War With Terrorists Thanks to Snowden �04(32 comments)�
    [10:39:13] <chromas> theriouthly
    [10:40:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, betcha it gets lots of comments.
    [10:40:55] <chromas> Place your bets, ladies and gentlejerks
    [10:41:07] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: is that all you care about?
    [10:41:13] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i care about quality news
    [10:41:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> active discussion? yes. we're a news discussion site not a news site.
    [10:41:45] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: if all you care about is end user participation, then you have become the thing you souct to flee
    [10:41:54] <Gravis> sought*
    [10:42:10] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: so how is this any better than slashdot?
    [10:42:13] <chromas> Nuh uh. We have narrower margins
    [10:42:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, we want the discussion because we like discussing things. they want it for filthy lucre and do not take part in the discussions.
    [10:43:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> we especially like discussing people saying bloody stupid things on occasion, which is where this article fits in.
    [10:43:37] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: so you just want a fight in the comments section, no matter how stupid, eh?
    [10:44:07] <chromas> Our goal is to be the youtube comments of news
    [10:44:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> pffft, their goal is to be us. we troll WAY better.
    [10:44:56] <SirFinkus> I think it's a good story. The snowden leaks are firmly in tech territory, and it's interesting to get other perspectives on them
    [10:45:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, seriously, think about it... do you want shit excluded specifically because someone thought up a witty headline for it?
    [10:45:26] <mecctro> I'm just here for the coffee.
    [10:45:30] <SirFinkus> when it comes to NSA surveillance, we kind of live in an echo chamber
    [10:45:54] <chromas> I agree with everyone here
    [10:46:04] <SirFinkus> "we" being nerds

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2016, @02:32PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2016, @02:32PM (#402285)

      Especially the quip about margins.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Thursday September 15 2016, @02:38PM

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday September 15 2016, @02:38PM (#402288) Journal

    It's curious that you choose a story where SN is atypically doing what mass media typically do, ie., bring in a perspective from the other side for balance, to decry the declining quality of SN. Shouldn't you rather be lauding the editorial decision to run a story that challenges the prevailing opinions of the Soylent community?

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2016, @07:11PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2016, @07:11PM (#402417)

    Gravis, no one forces you (nor anyone else) to open the link to a story you consider to be a "troll article"; those are in the minority and as such are not burying other articles.

    Personally, I do greatly appreciate the articles about bleeding edge or otherwise interesting science news, but like many SN readers, I usually don't have enough experience to write a worthwhile comment, nor in fact to enjoy most comments by those who do understand the subject matter unless said comment is particularly well-written.

    Unfortunately, political matters do draw a lot of attention because such matters potentially affect EVERYONE, and the foundation of that effect is the threat of lethal force which is the means by which all governments I know of enforce their collective will on members of the hapless populace. Advances in science have a small chance of providing a benefit which may affect you a few years down the road, whereas changes in politics can have an impact within weeks or days - of the baton-to-face sort.

    (Incidentally, this is why I think it is so important that the authority of my own country's government, the USA, be clearly and concisely defined. So much USian scientific work is forbidden under threat of death that politics has become a threat to the practice of science. Should the USian government be returned to its lawful state where its authority absent consent is limited to that of its source - a single human being's - then the potential for advances in the fields of power generation, medicine, chemistry, and more spikes up through the roof. I also find it interesting that the other person to come to mind who threatened the use of lethal force in an attempt to slow or stop scientific progress was Theodore Kaczynski [wikipedia.org], more commonly known as the Unabomber.)