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BBC technology correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones has met with representatives of the Israeli company Cellebrite, which helps police forces gain access to the data on the mobile phones of suspected criminals. They were rumoured to have aided the FBI in gaining access to the iPhone used by the San Bernardino shooter (though some reports contradict this). From the article:
It's an Israeli company that helps police forces gain access to data on the mobile phones of suspected criminals.
Cellebrite was in the headlines earlier this year when it was rumoured to have helped the FBI to crack an iPhone used by the San Bernardino shooter.
Now the company has told the BBC that it can get through the defences of just about any modern smartphone. But the firm refuses to say whether it supplies its technology to the police forces of repressive regimes.
[...] Mr Ben-Moshe claimed that his firm could access data on "the largest number of devices that are out there in the industry".
Even Apple's new iPhone 7?
"We can definitely extract data from an iPhone 7 as well - the question is what data."
He said that Cellebrite had the biggest research and development team in the sector, constantly working to catch up with the new technology.
He was cagey about how much data could be extracted from services such as WhatsApp - "It's not a black/white yes/no answer" - but indicated that criminals might be fooling themselves if they thought any form of mobile communication was totally secure.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 26 2016, @07:15PM
"We can definitely extract data from an iPhone 7 as well - the question is what data."
This is the type of answer which sounds meaningful, but isn't. I can extract data from an iPhone 7 as well. If you hand me one, I can determine if the phone has a charge, if the phone has a locking system, and even the type of locking system the owner has chosen to use.
I only wonder why they chose to give this kind of ominous and omnipotent sounding non-answer. Are they trying to scare people, are they trying to hide how little (or possibly how much) data they are able to extract, are they trying to drum up new business, or something else?
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 26 2016, @07:56PM
They probably have people inside companies so its a simple task to break the devices. They have the keys. If they cannot get the keys, they threaten manufacturers with attacks and total destruction until the manufacturer gives in.
this kind of ominous and omnipotent sounding non-answer
They give non-answers like the above. They make non-arguments: "how can anyone argue with that?" It is a characteristic of that race. They work their magic through suggestion.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 26 2016, @09:46PM
If you just hadn't added "characteristic of that race" you may have had a decent point to discuss. As it stands, you're an asshole.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 26 2016, @11:33PM
I think that was an admission that they can't break into everything. Some data is vulnerable to their hacks, some not.
They have no need to be ominous, they have the market cornered there. They most likely deal with oppressive governments (haha he has no info on that uh huh) and don't want their shortcomings or capabilities known.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 27 2016, @12:44AM
For me it just says, you can't trust anything coming from that country, so check the Made In label before you buy.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Tuesday September 27 2016, @01:55AM
So made in China it is then?
(Score: 2) by butthurt on Tuesday September 27 2016, @05:34AM
"You can find a phone that's not manufactured in the People's Republic--if you're willing to hunt," said a 2012 story.
https://www.cnet.com/news/are-any-smartphones-not-made-in-china/ [cnet.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 27 2016, @05:20PM
Wait, Verizon put a "Cellebrite" app on my phone (antique Treo) when I got the account with them.
Coincidence?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 26 2016, @07:40PM
Ironic that jews are finding criminals. All they have to do is look in the mirror and see a criminal.
When the criminal is the jew, there is no question he knows more about "breaking" encryption and getting the goodies inside than actually working for a living. He lies, cheats, steals, breaks things in order to take what the goy has created. But he won't take anything from his fellow jew because that is forbidden by his devil god.
The jews got to where they are ("Financially" Not morally, artistically, scientifically or any other way) by opening and reading letters sent through communication channels they controlled. At one time, they were the only way to send communications and they read all letters. Now they break cell phone encryption to read communications. They haven't changed one bit. Communication carries all the goodies anyway and the jew knows that. Once a jew ... always a jew.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by TheGratefulNet on Tuesday September 27 2016, @02:59AM
you can rationalize all you want - that they 'catch criminals'. but just remove the word criminal and put in, instead, citizen or even person.
they don't care who they spy on and its NEVER been about 'catching bad guys'. we are in post-snowden era and we know what you assholes are up to. its no good and we don't trust or like you anymore.
I'd love to see the spy-masters get a dose of their own medicine. I'd almost cheer on the terrorists if they can put a dent into the spy machinery that we seem to support with our tax dollars. if this company was blown up, I'd not shed a single tear.
what they are doing is wrong and I don't fall for the 'but its ok when its the Good Guys(tm) doing it'. NO, ITS NOT.
having an elite group that can break the encryption or use bugs to break in is WRONG and it WILL backfire eventually. we are playing with fire and we don't seem to care.
so very sad.
"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday September 27 2016, @02:59PM
I might not have a problem with it if I somehow could actually believe that the spies were working in our best interests. Going after actual bad guys. And not going after people for a political or revengeful purpose. Not spying on our own citizens. Not spying on our allies and their politicians or their matters of internal business.
The National Security Letters and gag orders stink to high heaven. They want to ensure that it is impossible for people to have a private conversation. Or have private files.
Searching for a needle in a needle stack never seems to uncover an act of terror before it happens.
When each separate removal of our rights started, it may have been with the best of intentions. And was only intended to be temporary. But once allowed to continue it is nothing less than tearing up the constitution. They can keep repeating that what they are doing is legal. But it is not.
Infinity is clearly an even number since the next higher number is odd.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 27 2016, @05:51PM
I don't agree.
Cellebrite is providing a tool/service- breaking the encryption on a cell phone. It is the responsibility of the people contracting this service to assure that it is being used effectively.
For the most part Canada has some pretty good privacy protection laws (though it seems that every time I blink there are new proposals on the books to erode those protections or some department that is outright ignoring those protections). Being held on suspicion is not enough to justify the breaking of any locks, having a search warrant that specifically covers the breaking of locks (which normally requires enough evidence to convict for a crime already but police want to determine the extent of the crime- which is important because we don't have compounding sentences) can only turn over evidence related to THAT crime (at least in theory- see my point about departments ignoring protections).
Essentially how this should play out is- There is a counterfeiter operating between 1993-2003 the criminal passed 5 billion in false bills, police have enough evidence to convinct the individual of counterfeiting to the tune of about 6000, but there is no 'multiple counts' in canadian court, so if they charge the individual with counterfeiting between 1993-2003 and he only gets a sentence of 5 years. However if they can find evidence during their discovery of the extent of the crime of the full 5 billion he will serve 9 years. A warrant is issued that includes the breaking of digital locks and they break his cellphone encryption, find the 5 billion, and the counterfeiter goes to prison for 9 years.
With those factors in place I am ok with there being organizations which can assist with the legal execution of a warrant which has been written to include the circumvention of locks or security measures.