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Donald Trump supporters artificially manipulated the results of online polls to create a false narrative that the Republican nominee won the first presidential debate on Monday night.
The efforts originated from users of the pro-Trump Reddit community r/The_Donald and 4chan messaged boards, which bombarded around 70 polls, including those launched by Time, Fortune, and CNBC.
In this latest incarnation, multiple Reddit users enlisted the Trump-supporting masses on r/The_Donald, which has over 200,000 subscribers, by posting dozens of online polls that are vulnerable to vote brigading, bots, and other forms of manipulation that make these non-scientific surveys notoriously unreliable.
Polls that were not open to public voting consistently put Clinton ahead of Trump. In a flash poll by Public Policy Polling, Clinton led Trump 51 to 40. A CNN/ORC poll conducted immediately following the debate found significantly stronger support for Clinton, who topped Trump 62 to 27.
http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-clinton-debate-online-polls-4chan-the-donald/
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Whoever on Wednesday September 28 2016, @05:21AM
Yeah, Clinton didn't land any hits ..... until you ignore the fact that she showed him up as a lying racist.
(Score: 0) by XivLacuna on Wednesday September 28 2016, @06:00AM
Yeah, Trump is totally the racist. I mean, it isn't like Clinton referred to young black men as super predators in the past.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by jmorris on Wednesday September 28 2016, @06:18AM
Good enough retort, lemme really drop a steamer in the thread though. :)
Let us look at the 'compassion' of the Democrats over the last fifty years. Keeping most blacks penned up in inner city hellholes living lives of squalor, horror and dependency... needed only one day every two years. If David Duke were given limitless power it is doubtful either him or Exalted Cyclops Byrd (rest in Hell) would have done anything much worse to blacks. Other than outright genocide there really aren't many things worse than destroying a people's hope, their families and encouraging them to abort themselves by the tens of million from utter despair. Not that there is much difference anyway, the Klan was the terror wing of the Democratic Party after all. The Clintons themselves were all too happy to produce campaign materials on Confederate Flag backgrounds. You can still buy some of it on eBay, it doesn't run afoul of their listing regs yet; banning official Democratic Party campaign merch would give the game away after all.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Wednesday September 28 2016, @09:49AM
Yes, a "steamer" is a very good description of your post. How does a turd like that get modded up? It's embarrassing.
1 - Everyone knows the Dems and Reps switched shirts back in the 60s, calling the Democrats the party of racism because of what happened 50 years ago is like saying that modern day Germany is full of Nazis. Things change.
2 - As for the Democrats keeping "blacks penned up in inner city hellholes", how about a citation? Some actual evidence please, and not an unsubstantiated rant about the evils of welfare / socialism.
3 - Trump is a racist. The evidence is piled up to the ceiling, and it takes an unfathomable amount of delusion or dishonesty (or perhaps a complete inability to understand the word "racist") to attempt to claim otherwise.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 28 2016, @10:23AM
I'm no Trump supporter, but the word 'racist' is one of the most overused and misunderstood words of recent generations. Calling someone a racist because they say something that identifies with someone else's race is just plain retarded. The whole PC thing is way out of hand.
If race is such an important issue to you and you feel that those of other races are too weak to stand up to scrutiny, perhaps it is actually you who is racist. That is unless you treat criticism of your own race in the same way. I'd say the chance of that is zero.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Wednesday September 28 2016, @11:34AM
"Wahwahwahwahwah PC gone mad." The world is not out to get you, you are not an oppressed victim bravely battling jackbooted PC thugs who want to redistribute your property to gay black disabled transgender dwarfs. Furhermore, Trump is not the Robin Hood champion of fairness and justice who will stand up for average guys like you. He is an egotistical spoiled prick who lives entirely in a universe of his own imagining where he is never wrong about anything, and you are an over-sensitive, relatively well-off white guy who has been conned into adopting an unwarranted persecution complex by those who benefit from divisiveness.
"Saying something that identifies with someone else's race" is one thing. People do it all the time, and nobody calls them racist. But that's not Trump. Trump has made it perfectly clear, through decades of ill-considered words and actions, that he thinks he can tell the worth of a person's character simply by looking at their skin colour. In his mind, Mexicans==rapists and criminals. Blacks and Latinos are the kind of people he would not let out his property to. Immigrants are "poisoned skittles" and Muslims are oppressors. Jews are good with money, but black people can't be trusted as accountants. They certainly can't be trusted to run a country, which is why he spent years haranguing the president over his birth certificate (and then last week when he had to backtrack but couldn't admit being wrong, denied that he was ever a birther in the first place.). A bunch of black teenagers who were wrongly arrested for a rape they didn't commit, bullied into confessing and convicted, then later released when DNA evidence and a confession conclusively proves another guy did it should still be executed anyway, because Trump's gut feelings that they were always guilty override the evidence, the courts, reality itself. Trust me, I am not misusing the word racist when I say DONALD TRUMP IS A RACIST.
As for your feeble "those of other races are too weak to stand up to scrutiny" strawman - of course everybody should stand up to scrutiny, but they should be scrutinised according to their own personal words and actions, not according to their skin colour.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday September 28 2016, @01:19PM
Sigh. Good Lord, what a day this is. Second time in a thread I'm stepping in to argue on jmorris's behalf (though this time more parallax than parallel).
I believe you are correct in asserting that Trump is no Robin Hood or champion of justice and fairness. He isn't. His most ardent supporters are in for some mighty disappointment on that score. You begin to overstep the mark, though, when you dismiss their grievances as a mere "unwarranted persecution complex." The real incomes of Americans have been on an uninterrupted 40-year slide. NAFTA, championed by Hillary and her husband, gutted American manufacturing. The American middle class (a great deal of them in organized labor, BTW), suffered massive job losses and in incomes. The only ones who won from that deal were the 1%. None of that is imagined, and most of it has been thoroughly documented and argued by progressives, not just by Trump. It's also something that has affected Americans of all races, not just white men. Honestly, it's weird to hear anyone whose surname isn't Rockefeller argue otherwise. That's the vein Trump has tapped into, and it's real and fully, fully warranted.
Second, you're calling Donald Trump a racist because you're drinking koolaid of a different flavor. It's the same koolaid that wants people to believe that people who oppose Hillary are doing so because they're misogynist. Trump has cynically played the race card with respect to Muslim immigrants in the exact same way Hillary played it when she voted to invade Iraq. "FEAR THE OTHER!" It works every time. But I still don't believe that either Trump or Hillary are really racist. The world they live in, the air they breathe, doesn't give a tinker's damn about race, religion, or nationality. They only care about ego. Ego is the only thing that matters. And while I can't personally attest to how true to Trump's public persona his actual character is, I can personally attest that is 100% true of the Clintons. They are purely mercenary, pure grifters, 100% corrupt, and evil to the core. They would order the deaths of a 1,000 babies if it meant they'd wind up $1 million richer, and there was little chance they'd get caught.
If you want to vote for someone in the race who's worth voting for, vote for Jill Stein. She's the best person running. But don't carry water for Hillary. The world will be an exponentially better place the day the Clinton name is struck from the history books.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Wednesday September 28 2016, @02:25PM
The "unwarranted persecution complex" is nothing to do with manufacturing jobs or NAFTA. It's the anti-PC-anti-"SJW" kneejerk knobheads who have been convinced that to be a middle-class white guy in America is to be the downtrodden victim of a conspiracy to give his job to an underqualified minority via positive discrimination and then tax all his money into the pockets of illegal immigrants. This narrative fits very well with the 1% who would like very much to see all kinds of welfare (except corporate welfare, obviously) abolished.
I agree with you in that the 1% in general are equal-opportunity oppressors, and are just as happy to rob and crush a white guy as a black one. I would even go so far as say that most of the partisan arguments and much of the racial tension around this election are simply the result of "divide and conquer" tactics from on high to keep the peons squabbling amongst themselves.
To say that Trump is not a racist, that he might just be projecting some kind of bigoted persona... well I have to disagree. Many of his most telling statements and actions date back to well before this campaign. The guy clearly has some nasty preconceived ideas about people of certain colours and he acts on them. Even if that were the case though, I would argue that if someone in a position of power and influence puts on an unpleasant public persona and encourages others to take on those traits for themselves... then they are even more irresponsible than someone who actually believes all that foul shit. [1] If Trump's unapologetic bigotry in his campaigning isn't genuine, then he's even more of an dick for using such an evil tool so cynically.
Trump also supported the Iraq war by the way [theguardian.com] (admittedly in a half-arsed sort of a way, but he wasn't a politician at the time so I guess that's not such a big deal). Hilary voted for the war (on the understanding that non-military options would be exhausted first) and later admitted that it had been the wrong vote. Trump simply denied that he never supported it and we have always been at war with Eurasia. I know which of those attitudes I respect more.
Regarding Hilary: I have no strong opinion. She has probably broken some rules and made a lot of compromises to get where she is, but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone at that level of politics who hasn't.[2] Whatever, she has certain basic qualifications necessary for office that Trump lacks: She is sharp-minded, experienced and professional and apparently capable of planning, articulating, negotiating and compromising to make things happen in the dual sharkpools of international and domestic politics. Even if she is the monster you claim[3], at least, if elected, she would be YOUR monster, working to further American interests as far as they align with her own. In contrast Trump is a shallow thinking, loud-mouthed buffoon with no subtlety, statesmanship, or deep understanding of anything[4]. However he is possessed of an unshakeable conviction in his own infallibility and supremacy that lays him wide open to manipulation and deception. If he got into power he (and by extension America) would be eaten alive by the likes of Putin who would flatter and manipulate him into giving the USA away because he can't even perceive that what he's doing doesn't serve his own interests.
Finally I won't be voting for Trump, Clinton or your Jill Stein because mercifully, I don't live within a thousand miles of your fucked up country.
[1] Case in point: Boris Johnson. As far as anyone can tell he almost certainly doesn't believe in Brexit, but he campaigned for it and won it anyway just to further his career. A hypocrite and a traitor.
[2] You can't tell me Trump hasn't broken rules, he's as crooked as they come. but I might be persuaded to concede that he hasn't ever compromised on what passes for his "principles".
[3] Your post seems somewhat hyperbolic. I don't doubt she's cynical, but not THAT cynical.
[4] On the other hand, he does have an extraordinary talent for making expensive suits look cheap.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday September 28 2016, @04:53PM
Again, you're choosing to swallow her spin. I know what you're saying is not true because I was deeply engaged in politics at that time, too, and we New York progressives were directly connected with her office (she was our Senator at the time, remember), telling her in no uncertain terms that the pretext for invading Iraq was a complete fabrication. We demonstrated in the millions on the east side of Manhattan, filling every avenue for as far as the eye could see, and she still cast that vote cynically. She knew exactly what she was doing, and was taken in by no one.
That would describe any other master criminal. It doesn't mean I want Lex Luthor sitting in the Oval Office.
No, she wouldn't. Hillary doesn't give a damn about the American people. The only thing she cares about is figuring out new ways to sell the American people down the river and pocket the sum. She and her husband already sold advanced targeting technology to the Chinese. Who do you think they're going to target with that technology, East Timor?
Not, hyperbolic, but clear. I have seen the inside of their operations. I ran their operations. I have seen Chris Ruddy (CEO of Newsmax, and the guy who ran the Vince Foster conspiracy) sitting in meetings with the Clintons, divvying up the spoils. I have seen Rupert Murdoch do the same. I have been in the room when household names you would instantly know have schemed out ways to fleece the public. It's "just business" to them.
I agree the ranting about "SJWs" is tiresome. The white supremacists coming out of the woodwork are exceptionally distasteful. Unfortunately there has been a real conspiracy to grind Americans under the boot heel. It's not because the elites hate white people or Americans generally, but because they want to pocket even more billions. They have bought laws that make it legal to offshore operations and launder profits through shell corporations in the Caymans, so they use them.
In fact, the elites don't care about race at all. They are as comfortable rubbing elbows with ultra-wealthy Chinese and Africans in the private clubs and resorts of the world as any other sort of people. Why wouldn't they be? They all went to Harvard and Oxford, too. They were school chums. When introduced, they don't ask where they're from, but who their people are (that is, are they Rockefellers, or Fords, etc). The only time they would mention place of national origin or any language of the kind would be when talking to the rabble, a thing they try very hard to avoid.
It can be quite hard for people who have never encountered the elite to accept that they live in a completely different world than we do. But they do. And you are quite right that the anti-SJW vs. SJW stuff is all their creation, and very much their tactic to divide and distract us to keep us from ever getting wise to that fact.
(Score: 2) by Whoever on Thursday September 29 2016, @01:20AM
No, I call him a racist because, unlike you, I am not blind to history. [heavy.com]
Don't forget, if you vote for Trump, you are voting to weaken the first amendment. He has made that very clear. You are voting for someone who misuses charitable donations. If you actively support him, then I ascribe those same value to you.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday September 29 2016, @11:43AM
Jesus. Are you 3? And should we blame you personally for Obama assassinating American citizens with drones and the NSA's completely blowing away the Constitution because you voted for him? (that's assuming, of course, that you were even old enough to vote at the time).
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by Whoever on Thursday September 29 2016, @01:30AM
No, we call him a racist because he had to settle an investigation into racist housing policies. You know, actual proof that he is a racist.
That's on top of his recent utterances about Muslims and Mexicans.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday September 28 2016, @12:58PM
Perish the thought that I might agree with jmorris on something, but these are strange times. Democrats do keep the inner city votes locked up through direct control of the existence of blacks (and Latinos, and any other economically disadvantaged group) who depend on any form of public assistance to survive. I can't personally attest to that in other cities like Baltimore or Philadelphia, but I have witnessed it at work here in New York City.
A decade ago I was deeply involved in the Howard Dean campaign, and founded a large grassroots organization (15,000 people) to work for his presidential run. After he dropped out of the race we continued to work on state and local races in New York. One of the races we worked on was a primary challenge to Marty Dilan, a state senator representing a district in North Brooklyn, a neighborhood called Williamsburg. Marty Dilan was the protege of the Brooklyn Democratic Party Boss, Vito Lopez. Vito Lopez, as party boss, personally hired all the poll site captains and poll workers. Marty Dilan controlled the State Dept. of Housing, so anyone who lived in, or whose friends and relatives lived in, public housing would be at direct risk for being thrown out on the street if they voted against Marty Dilan.
The task of our organization on primary day was to serve as poll monitors and hand out flyers close to poll sites (outside the exclusion zone). I worked several poll sites inside, monitoring the proceedings to make sure there were no shenanigans; I spent half the day at a high-rise public housing project, and the other half at a low-rise public housing location. At the first the poll captain was a grandmotherly woman who was in the tank for Dilan, because she had been appointed the poll captain at that site by Vito Lopez for years. She thought it was OK to go into the voting booth with the voters and flip the switches for them, something that is totally illegal. I objected strenuously and instructed the cop on duty to eject her from the poll site. The cop refused. I filed an emergency complaint with the Board of Elections; nothing happened. At the low rise site, the poll captain was Vito Lopez's girlfriend. That area had more support for the challenger, but nobody showed up to vote for him. Funny, that.
Later that day other members of our organization witnessed Marty Dilan himself getting out of his limo and punching out some of the challenger's supporters who were holding up signs next to one of the busy roads in the district. There were three cops present, but they did nothing. Our organization's members demanded, incredulously, that the cops do something to intervene. No, they said, their mothers (or cousins, or sisters) lived in public housing in the district. Dilan would have thrown them out on the street.
That's a bit lengthier a reply than you were probably expecting, but you did demand a citation. There it is. Democrats have a stranglehold on inner city blacks and others in a hundred different ways. Housing, food stamps, medical care, electricity, plumbing, the neighborhood schools, immigration, etc, etc. If they don't do as they're told and vote how they're told, the Democratic party machine can make their lives very difficult if not impossible. It is nothing like a democracy at all and much closer to a feudal system. And if you think it's fanciful that there could be such a lock extending from the national level down to the very building you live in, consider that Hillary Clinton's strongest local booster was my city councilman who never did one damn useful thing in 12 years in office. That know-nothing, meh x 10^50 city councilman is somebody you might know today, Bill de Blasio. He's the mayor of NYC now.
I'm afraid, my friend, that as much as it pains me to say it, jmorris is right on this point.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Wednesday September 28 2016, @02:36PM
A fascinating anecdote, and I don't doubt its veracity, but I would say it is proof of one crooked politician (and his crooked minions) rather than proof of a national democratic racist conspiracy.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday September 28 2016, @04:23PM
One crooked politician? Oh, no, that was one crooked politician to illustrate the system that obtains in New York City, the sina qua non of national Democratic party politics. Whether it's the Boyland family in East Brooklyn, the Clarke family in Crown Heights/Bedford-Stuyvesant, or Charlie Rangel's people in the Bronx, it's crooked through-and-through.
Also, I didn't say that it was a racist conspiracy. My thesis was not that the Democratic party is the racist party and that the Republican party is not, but that the Democratic party very much has a vested material interest in preserving the dependency of urban blacks, Latinos, and other disadvantaged groups and that they very directly and ruthlessly defend it. The race of the dependent groups is immaterial. The group could be creamy white, blonde-haired Lithuanians and the situation would be the same.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 28 2016, @09:32PM
I'll have those niggers voting Democratic for 200 years. --LBJ
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 28 2016, @02:45PM
> Dilan would have thrown them out on the street.
> If they don't do as they're told and vote how they're told, the Democratic party machine can make their
> lives very difficult if not impossible. It is nothing like a democracy at all and much closer to a feudal system.
You don't think it is a huge leap to go from one corrupt politician threatening to abuse his power to systemic oppression? In this age of cellphone video of everything you don't the kind of widespread threats you are talking about wouldn't be all over the net? Even without video, talk about that shit would be all over black twitter. And yet its not. Ah, more proof of conspiracy! Lack of proof is actually proof!
Not all minorities are poor. Sure, a disproportionate amount are, but there are still tons who are living decent middle-class lives without welfare. And they still overwhelmingly vote democrat. The demoractic party takes minorities for granted. But it isn't because of some feudal system where all the politicians "own" them because of dependency. Its because the republicans have made racism an unofficial party plank for the last 40 years while the democrats are the ones doing the opposite. And that's plain as day to anyone who isn't white.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday September 28 2016, @05:15PM
Spoken like a millenial. This happened before smartphones with cameras were ubiquitous. Even now, it's illegal to take photos or video inside the poll site. Also, this happened long before there was Twitter, and before there was Facebook. Young people today don't realize how recent those companies are, because they never paid any attention to the world before they became teenagers and got their first cell phones. To help you with the cultural timeline, at the time it was happening the closest thing to the social media we know today was Meetup.com, and that was about using their platform to meet in person with other like-minded people. Gasp! Yes, that's meet in-person.
I could tell you similar stories about the Boyland family in East Brooklyn, or the Clarkes in Crown Heights/Bedford-Stuyvesant. Those are things I've witnessed personally. But I don't want to bore everyone with a wall of text about the inner workings of New York City Democratic party corruption. And it wouldn't convince the millenials among you anyway, since it's still anecdotal, isn't it? Or I could suggest you do a quick Google and look up the convictions of former Speaker of the Assembly Sheldon "Shelly" Silver (Democrat, convicted in May 2016) and former New York State Senate Majority leader Dean Skelos (Republican, also convicted in May 2016), explain that in New York State politics everything, everything is decided by the "Three Men in the Room," aka the Governor, Senate Majority Leader, and Speaker of the Assembly, and assert that that is hard data that damns the system pretty irrefutably, and you'll still wave your hand and say, "It can't be so," because you've already made up your mind that Hillary can do no wrong, and that the Democratic Party leadership is still mostly good people.
They aren't. And they need to go, along with their Republican counterparts.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 28 2016, @05:24PM
> Spoken like a millenial. This happened before smartphones with cameras were ubiquitous.
You asserted that the conspiracy is on going. If your best defense is that this conspiracy is no longer happening then what exactly is your beef?
Even more revealing is that you have no response for the fact that minorities who are not on welfare also vote overwhelmingly for the democratic party.
(Score: 2) by Whoever on Thursday September 29 2016, @01:39AM
Yet you speak up for Trump! Hypocrite!
The simple fact is that you have almost no idea what Trump will do in office. He has backtracked so many times it is hard to follow. If you think you do know, then you are simply in denial.
But what do we know about Trump: 1. He is a racist. 2. He has misused charitable donations. 3. He wants to weaken the 1st amendment, so that rich people can't be criticized.
He doesn't care about you or people like you. All he cares about is promoting the interests of the wealthy.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday September 29 2016, @11:41AM
I know that, but there's a chance he will stop the TPP. There's a chance he'll take out a couple noxious Wall Street bankers (likely because they jumped the queue at the squash court). But at least that's something. With Hillary, there's zero chance.
Also, I want to stick my finger in the eye of the Establishment. I want to see them quail in fear for once. Yes, it's nihilism, but there we are. They made the bed, and now they're gonna lie in it with us.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Whoever on Thursday September 29 2016, @02:35PM
Oh my god..
You really are stupid, aren't you!
Trump is establishment. He always has been. His campaign has been funded by other wealthy people, almost from the beginning.
He isn't going to do anything against the establishment. Instead, he wants to neuter the first amendment so that wealthy people can't be criticized.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Phoenix666 on Thursday September 29 2016, @07:44PM
Excellent. We seem to have found a genuine Hillary supporter.
Trump won't bring down the Establishment as a whole, but he might bring down some of them, and that's what's got them worried. Suddenly they're all searching their memories to see if they ever slighted Trump at a cocktail party. I admit that's very little to root for, but it's something, and a whole lot more than the zero we'd get from Hillary.
I honestly would vastly have preferred Bernie Sanders. I think he's a good guy and would have gentled the circumstances of the 99%, who haven't caught a break in 40 years. But the game was rigged against him, too, and now there's nothing left but to savor the nervous quivering of the 1%.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 28 2016, @03:07PM
You've been reading Scott Adams' blog. :)
(Score: 4, Informative) by mcgrew on Wednesday September 28 2016, @04:53PM
"Crooked Hillary" isn't the candidate who's being sued for FRAUD. Neither is she the racist who was found guilty of racial discrimination twice.
Only racists discriminate on the basis of race. Trump is a bona-fide racist.
And she didn't call black youth superpredators, she called GANG MEMBERS superpredators, and she was right; I've known some personally. Here's the quote: "But we also have to have an organized effort against gangs, just as in a previous generation we had an organized effort against the mob. We need to take these people on. They are often connected to big drug cartels, they are not just gangs of kids anymore. They are often the kinds of kids that are called superpredators — no conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first, we have to bring them to heel."
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