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posted by CoolHand on Wednesday September 28 2016, @03:07AM   Printer-friendly
from the stuffing-the-ballot-box dept.

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Donald Trump supporters artificially manipulated the results of online polls to create a false narrative that the Republican nominee won the first presidential debate on Monday night.

The efforts originated from users of the pro-Trump Reddit community r/The_Donald and 4chan messaged boards, which bombarded around 70 polls, including those launched by Time, Fortune, and CNBC.

In this latest incarnation, multiple Reddit users enlisted the Trump-supporting masses on r/The_Donald, which has over 200,000 subscribers, by posting dozens of online polls that are vulnerable to vote brigading, bots, and other forms of manipulation that make these non-scientific surveys notoriously unreliable.

Polls that were not open to public voting consistently put Clinton ahead of Trump. In a flash poll by Public Policy Polling, Clinton led Trump 51 to 40. A CNN/ORC poll conducted immediately following the debate found significantly stronger support for Clinton, who topped Trump 62 to 27.

http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-clinton-debate-online-polls-4chan-the-donald/


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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 28 2016, @02:45PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 28 2016, @02:45PM (#407414)

    > Dilan would have thrown them out on the street.
    > If they don't do as they're told and vote how they're told, the Democratic party machine can make their
    > lives very difficult if not impossible. It is nothing like a democracy at all and much closer to a feudal system.

    You don't think it is a huge leap to go from one corrupt politician threatening to abuse his power to systemic oppression? In this age of cellphone video of everything you don't the kind of widespread threats you are talking about wouldn't be all over the net? Even without video, talk about that shit would be all over black twitter. And yet its not. Ah, more proof of conspiracy! Lack of proof is actually proof!

    Not all minorities are poor. Sure, a disproportionate amount are, but there are still tons who are living decent middle-class lives without welfare. And they still overwhelmingly vote democrat. The demoractic party takes minorities for granted. But it isn't because of some feudal system where all the politicians "own" them because of dependency. Its because the republicans have made racism an unofficial party plank for the last 40 years while the democrats are the ones doing the opposite. And that's plain as day to anyone who isn't white.

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  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday September 28 2016, @05:15PM

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Wednesday September 28 2016, @05:15PM (#407516) Journal

    You don't think it is a huge leap to go from one corrupt politician threatening to abuse his power to systemic oppression? In this age of cellphone video of everything you don't the kind of widespread threats you are talking about wouldn't be all over the net? Even without video, talk about that shit would be all over black twitter. And yet its not. Ah, more proof of conspiracy! Lack of proof is actually proof!

    Spoken like a millenial. This happened before smartphones with cameras were ubiquitous. Even now, it's illegal to take photos or video inside the poll site. Also, this happened long before there was Twitter, and before there was Facebook. Young people today don't realize how recent those companies are, because they never paid any attention to the world before they became teenagers and got their first cell phones. To help you with the cultural timeline, at the time it was happening the closest thing to the social media we know today was Meetup.com, and that was about using their platform to meet in person with other like-minded people. Gasp! Yes, that's meet in-person.

    I could tell you similar stories about the Boyland family in East Brooklyn, or the Clarkes in Crown Heights/Bedford-Stuyvesant. Those are things I've witnessed personally. But I don't want to bore everyone with a wall of text about the inner workings of New York City Democratic party corruption. And it wouldn't convince the millenials among you anyway, since it's still anecdotal, isn't it? Or I could suggest you do a quick Google and look up the convictions of former Speaker of the Assembly Sheldon "Shelly" Silver (Democrat, convicted in May 2016) and former New York State Senate Majority leader Dean Skelos (Republican, also convicted in May 2016), explain that in New York State politics everything, everything is decided by the "Three Men in the Room," aka the Governor, Senate Majority Leader, and Speaker of the Assembly, and assert that that is hard data that damns the system pretty irrefutably, and you'll still wave your hand and say, "It can't be so," because you've already made up your mind that Hillary can do no wrong, and that the Democratic Party leadership is still mostly good people.

    They aren't. And they need to go, along with their Republican counterparts.

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    Washington DC delenda est.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 28 2016, @05:24PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 28 2016, @05:24PM (#407521)

      > Spoken like a millenial. This happened before smartphones with cameras were ubiquitous.

      You asserted that the conspiracy is on going. If your best defense is that this conspiracy is no longer happening then what exactly is your beef?

      Even more revealing is that you have no response for the fact that minorities who are not on welfare also vote overwhelmingly for the democratic party.

    • (Score: 2) by Whoever on Thursday September 29 2016, @01:39AM

      by Whoever (4524) on Thursday September 29 2016, @01:39AM (#407697) Journal

      They aren't. And they need to go, along with their Republican counterparts.

      Yet you speak up for Trump! Hypocrite!

      The simple fact is that you have almost no idea what Trump will do in office. He has backtracked so many times it is hard to follow. If you think you do know, then you are simply in denial.

      But what do we know about Trump: 1. He is a racist. 2. He has misused charitable donations. 3. He wants to weaken the 1st amendment, so that rich people can't be criticized.

      He doesn't care about you or people like you. All he cares about is promoting the interests of the wealthy.

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday September 29 2016, @11:41AM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday September 29 2016, @11:41AM (#407838) Journal

        I know that, but there's a chance he will stop the TPP. There's a chance he'll take out a couple noxious Wall Street bankers (likely because they jumped the queue at the squash court). But at least that's something. With Hillary, there's zero chance.

        Also, I want to stick my finger in the eye of the Establishment. I want to see them quail in fear for once. Yes, it's nihilism, but there we are. They made the bed, and now they're gonna lie in it with us.

        --
        Washington DC delenda est.
        • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Whoever on Thursday September 29 2016, @02:35PM

          by Whoever (4524) on Thursday September 29 2016, @02:35PM (#407921) Journal

          Also, I want to stick my finger in the eye of the Establishment. I want to see them quail in fear for once. Yes, it's nihilism, but there we are. They made the bed, and now they're gonna lie in it with us.

          Oh my god..

          You really are stupid, aren't you!

          Trump is establishment. He always has been. His campaign has been funded by other wealthy people, almost from the beginning.

          He isn't going to do anything against the establishment. Instead, he wants to neuter the first amendment so that wealthy people can't be criticized.

          • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Phoenix666 on Thursday September 29 2016, @07:44PM

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday September 29 2016, @07:44PM (#408090) Journal

            Excellent. We seem to have found a genuine Hillary supporter.

            Trump won't bring down the Establishment as a whole, but he might bring down some of them, and that's what's got them worried. Suddenly they're all searching their memories to see if they ever slighted Trump at a cocktail party. I admit that's very little to root for, but it's something, and a whole lot more than the zero we'd get from Hillary.

            I honestly would vastly have preferred Bernie Sanders. I think he's a good guy and would have gentled the circumstances of the 99%, who haven't caught a break in 40 years. But the game was rigged against him, too, and now there's nothing left but to savor the nervous quivering of the 1%.

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            Washington DC delenda est.