Recently there have been several stories about recent space activities and our thoughts have naturally turned towards the possibility of space colonization. My view has been that not only will that happen, but some day there will be more people living off of Earth than on it.
When that happens, their mere existence will skew what is perceived as the greatest and most influential works of literature on Earth. For it won't be the great religious works of the major religions by which our descendants in space will be able to trace their mere existence. The Bible, Koran, I Ching, or the Vedas won't get us there. It won't be the great works of philosophy from Plato's many works through to modern times. Or almost anything we consider great literature today. One doesn't get into space by the unsteady hand of Hamlet, for example.
Works of economics are similarly disfranchised. This future might be enabled by Das Kapital or Wealth of Nations, but it's not going to be able to trace its lineage to these. Nor most great works of science such as Origin of Species (though Newton's PhilosophiƦ Naturalis Principia Mathematica will have a prominent role in the foundation leading up to this great work).
There is a peculiar aspect to early space engineering (basically everything before the Second World War). Namely, that it was very insular, even from its closest neighbor, astronomy which would reasonably be thought to share common interests. There are very few notable researchers in the field until one gets to the late 1920s. There was little official interest in space development until the Nazis got involved in the mid-30s. But they all share common inspiration. And everything that involves putting anything in space or doing anything in space comes from this inspiration.
So when humanity has gone beyond Earth, there will be one work of literature which will stand out from all the rest. I, of course, speak of From the Earth to the Moon, by Jules Verne, published in 1865.
My point though is that there's a clear chain of inspiration from "From the Earth to the Moon" to modern day space activities that doesn't exist for the Epic of Gilgamesh. For example, two of the three researchers (Konstantin Tsiolkovsky and Hermann Oberth) who are the "fathers" of rocketry (and modern space engineering) were directly inspired by the book. The third, Robert Goddard was inspired by War of the Worlds (by H. G. Wells) which starts with the evil Martians launching its invasion forces at Earth via a giant projectile gun, a classic homage to From the Earth to the Moon.
These in turn directly inspired others, such as Wernher Von Braun (who was originally inspired by reading Oberth) who ran the V-2 rocketry program for Nazi Germany as well as developing rockets for NASA. Two links goes from a guy writing 19th Century adventure stories with a scientific twist to a key manager of the Apollo program. Similarly, Tsiolkovsky was influential to Soviet rocketry and their space program with several of the pre-Second World War pioneers known [russianspaceweb.com] to have direct communications with him.
And by "link" here, I mean life-changing. For example, by the 19th Century, rockets had been kicking around for hundreds to thousands of years. But Tsiolkovsky was the first to realize [spaceline.org] that you could get to space with this effect, first by quantifying the effect of propellant propulsion:
On March 28, 1883 Tsiolkovsky demonstrated the reaction principle through experimenting with opening a cask filled with compressed gas. He discovered that movement of the cask could be regulated by alternating the pressure of the gas released from it.
And then going whole hog:
In 1903, his first article on rocketry appeared in the "Naootchnoye Obozreniye" (Scientific Review). The article was entitled "Issledovanie Mirovykh Prostransty Reaktivnymi Priborami" (Exploration Of Space With Rocket Devices).
IMHO, his exposure to From the Earth to the Moon prepared him to think in these ways.
^This is why i love the BBC Connections show: he clearly links one insight/invention to the next down the line until you have something that no one could have thought of from the initial insight/invention.
Another reason i am a Star Trek person more than Star Wars person: Star Trek is 'possible' science (if you put your head sideways at times) whereas Star Wars is pure fantasy (and leaping/dancing around with light sabres, now, instead of standing stoically and fencing as in the beginning).
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Star Trek is 'possible' science (if you put your head sideways at times) whereas Star Wars is pure fantasy
Can you explain the Mirror Universe without invoking a ridiculous coincidence? If ridiculous coincidences are allowed, everything in Star Wars is explainable as an absurdly unlikely series of happenstance particle movements. If they aren't, I think Star Trek jumps the shark as well (albeit far less often).
instead of standing stoically and fencing as in the beginning
No, the beginning...the movies that came out after the first 3 movies that came out DID NOT come out. They did not occur.... nope nope nope! NO! THOUSAND POINTS OF LIGHT! IF YOU'RE NOT WITH ME, YOUR AGAIN' ME! No. No.
No.
As per Star Trek, the stuff like Mirror Universe is the stuff you turn your head sideways for: i mean, it could happen! Yup! Sure! Look, Trump just got elected! Crazy, right? Yup! Yuuuuuup! The stuff like communicators you sit up straight for :)
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Can you explain the Mirror Universe without invoking a ridiculous coincidence?
It's an exploration of nature versus nurture. It's a crude what-if which explores what would happen with a tyrannical empire in place of a mostly munificent Federation. Hopping into a world where different choices were made is unrealistic. But using that as a rhetorical device to muse about what would happen, if different choices had been made in the past is not.
I'm not opposed to soft sci-fi, I just think that the division drawn by Gaaark between Trek and Wars is silliness. They both have totally unrealistic elements, like the Force or the Mirror Universe. Trek's silliness arguably shows up less often, but it's there. You can appreciate a piece of art without pretending it's realistic.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday October 09 2016, @03:57AM
These in turn directly inspired others, such as Wernher Von Braun (who was originally inspired by reading Oberth) who ran the V-2 rocketry program for Nazi Germany as well as developing rockets for NASA. Two links goes from a guy writing 19th Century adventure stories with a scientific twist to a key manager of the Apollo program. Similarly, Tsiolkovsky was influential to Soviet rocketry and their space program with several of the pre-Second World War pioneers known [russianspaceweb.com] to have direct communications with him.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Sunday October 09 2016, @04:20AM
On March 28, 1883 Tsiolkovsky demonstrated the reaction principle through experimenting with opening a cask filled with compressed gas. He discovered that movement of the cask could be regulated by alternating the pressure of the gas released from it.
And then going whole hog:
In 1903, his first article on rocketry appeared in the "Naootchnoye Obozreniye" (Scientific Review). The article was entitled "Issledovanie Mirovykh Prostransty Reaktivnymi Priborami" (Exploration Of Space With Rocket Devices).
IMHO, his exposure to From the Earth to the Moon prepared him to think in these ways.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday October 09 2016, @03:55PM
^This is why i love the BBC Connections show: he clearly links one insight/invention to the next down the line until you have something that no one could have thought of from the initial insight/invention.
Another reason i am a Star Trek person more than Star Wars person: Star Trek is 'possible' science (if you put your head sideways at times) whereas Star Wars is pure fantasy (and leaping/dancing around with light sabres, now, instead of standing stoically and fencing as in the beginning).
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(Score: 2) by JNCF on Sunday October 09 2016, @04:36PM
Star Trek is 'possible' science (if you put your head sideways at times) whereas Star Wars is pure fantasy
Can you explain the Mirror Universe without invoking a ridiculous coincidence? If ridiculous coincidences are allowed, everything in Star Wars is explainable as an absurdly unlikely series of happenstance particle movements. If they aren't, I think Star Trek jumps the shark as well (albeit far less often).
instead of standing stoically and fencing as in the beginning
I think you mean the middle. *ducks*
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday October 09 2016, @06:22PM
No, the beginning...the movies that came out after the first 3 movies that came out DID NOT come out. They did not occur.... nope nope nope! NO! THOUSAND POINTS OF LIGHT! IF YOU'RE NOT WITH ME, YOUR AGAIN' ME!
No.
No.
No.
As per Star Trek, the stuff like Mirror Universe is the stuff you turn your head sideways for: i mean, it could happen! Yup! Sure! Look, Trump just got elected! Crazy, right? Yup! Yuuuuuup!
The stuff like communicators you sit up straight for :)
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday October 10 2016, @04:51AM
Can you explain the Mirror Universe without invoking a ridiculous coincidence?
It's an exploration of nature versus nurture. It's a crude what-if which explores what would happen with a tyrannical empire in place of a mostly munificent Federation. Hopping into a world where different choices were made is unrealistic. But using that as a rhetorical device to muse about what would happen, if different choices had been made in the past is not.
(Score: 2) by JNCF on Monday October 10 2016, @04:09PM
I'm not opposed to soft sci-fi, I just think that the division drawn by Gaaark between Trek and Wars is silliness. They both have totally unrealistic elements, like the Force or the Mirror Universe. Trek's silliness arguably shows up less often, but it's there. You can appreciate a piece of art without pretending it's realistic.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday October 11 2016, @01:06AM
They both have totally unrealistic elements, like the Force or the Mirror Universe.
The Mirror Universe is just a throwaway plot device used in a couple of episodes. The Force is instrumental to the Star Wars universe.
Trek's silliness arguably shows up less often/quote Exactly except I wouldn't call it arguable.