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posted by martyb on Wednesday October 19 2016, @01:09PM   Printer-friendly
from the freedom-of-the-press dept.

Amy Goodman, host of the New York City-based leftist news programme Democracy Now! was charged with criminal trespass by the North Dakota state's attorney (prosecutor). The charge was changed to riot, then was dismissed due to lack of evidence when Goodman appeared in court on Monday. The charges stemmed from her presence at a protest in September against construction of the Dakota Access (Bakken) oil pipeline, after the protest was reported on her show.

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  • (Score: 2) by Zz9zZ on Wednesday October 19 2016, @05:28PM

    by Zz9zZ (1348) on Wednesday October 19 2016, @05:28PM (#416234)

    Woah, my first upmod of a Khallow post (I think).

    Who the hell downmodded this? Just cause it calls out Obama? I'll fight back! This isn't just an Obama thing, every administration does this stuff, but Obama got to preside over a major recession which makes jobs a very important public policy point.

    This isn't partisan Khallow, but it is still bullshit stats to try and improve public opinion in general, or for specific projects.

    40 jobs... gimme a break, screw this pipeline and spend it on solar installations.

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  • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday October 19 2016, @05:40PM

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday October 19 2016, @05:40PM (#416238) Journal

    So your saying that Obama shouldn't mention "a very important public policy point?"

    • (Score: 2) by Zz9zZ on Wednesday October 19 2016, @09:11PM

      by Zz9zZ (1348) on Wednesday October 19 2016, @09:11PM (#416343)

      I should clarify, a very important public policy point from a PR perspective. In this case for such a huge project we only get 40 extra jobs, that makes it a very ridiculous thing to tag on and is transparently a move to gather support from the locals. My opinion is that such PR moves are meant to hoodwink the public into thinking things are getting much better, when in reality they are not. Our unemployment stats are very controversial...

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      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday October 19 2016, @09:29PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Wednesday October 19 2016, @09:29PM (#416351) Journal

        My opinion is that such PR moves are meant to hoodwink the public into thinking things are getting much better, when in reality they are not. Our unemployment stats are very controversial...
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        It's more than an opinion, it's a fact backed up by decades of hard data that says the real income of the American middle class has been on an uninterrupted 40 yr slide. Also, we had an article on the site a few days ago that talked about the massive numbers of people that have fallen out of the labor force. You could also argue that Trump's popularity proves that at least half the country doesn't buy the bullshit anymore (you could argue that the other half doesn't buy the bullshit anymore, either, but are more afraid of Trump than Hillary).

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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday October 19 2016, @05:42PM

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 19 2016, @05:42PM (#416241) Journal

    Who the hell downmodded this?

    Don't worry about it. I would have to post an incredibly long run of crap in many different stories in order to get significantly downmodded.

    I don't know who wanted the permanent jobs info. It might be a cheap attempt at gaining favor or publicity by the would-be pipeline owner or it might be requested information from whoever approves such projects and dutifully parroted by a journalist looking to fill page.

    My point is that the pipeline would move, cheaper and safer than rail, a massive amount of oil from North Dakota much closer to the Southeast refineries (Wikipedia says it's still missing a final leg from Illinois). That's the value not 40 jobs.

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 19 2016, @06:28PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 19 2016, @06:28PM (#416272)

      And the rest of us would like that oil to stay in the ground, job value or not.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday October 19 2016, @07:06PM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 19 2016, @07:06PM (#416294) Journal
        How many people is "the rest of us" and what standing do they have to impose such a desire?
        • (Score: 2) by Zz9zZ on Wednesday October 19 2016, @09:17PM

          by Zz9zZ (1348) on Wednesday October 19 2016, @09:17PM (#416347)

          Turn that question back around, it goes both ways. It is generally pretty easy to tell who "the bad guys" are, they are the ones that don't allow discussion, ram their projects through regardless of objections, and in this story have their minions attack peaceful protesters with dogs and tear gas. Some people want civilization to continue on this big ball of dirt, others only want to get their short term profits so they can live out their greedy little lives in luxury.

          While I understand the desire for the pipeline, and the short term need and benefit, my preference is to do away with the need by investing in renewable energy and fusion / thorium / fission. I already know we differ on this topic, but go ahead and respond anyway if you want.

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          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday October 19 2016, @11:29PM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 19 2016, @11:29PM (#416400) Journal
            I don't know what happened here except it sounds like a lot of people and dogs got hurt on both sides. That's why I have yet to comment on the protest itself.

            But I do know this. We don't want only our bad guys to be the ones allowed to build pipelines and other such stuff. A society where peaceful protestors are allowed to shut down large infrastructure projects, unless some bad guy beat them up first, is not a healthy direction.

            For example, a fair number of people here complain about "psychopath CEO" behavior. Here's an example of how you can encourage it. The protestors are aiming for destruction of this project. We're dangerously close to the only sort of person who can carry out this project legally or otherwise being a psychopath. That's typical of the terrible incentives we see in this society today.

            While I understand the desire for the pipeline, and the short term need and benefit, my preference is to do away with the need by investing in renewable energy and fusion / thorium / fission.

            That's fine. My view is that hydrocarbons whether from the ground or some renewable process remain a very efficient way to store energy for driving. And pipelines remain a great way to transport that fuel. And of course, there are trillions of dollars in infrastructure that directly uses hydrocarbon fuel for transportation. I think it would be foolish to throw that away.

  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday October 19 2016, @06:02PM

    by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Wednesday October 19 2016, @06:02PM (#416255) Journal

    There is no downmod. It looks like khallow chose not to use a karma bonus.

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    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday October 19 2016, @08:24PM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 19 2016, @08:24PM (#416327) Journal
      That's standard MO for me. Never seemed much point to using the karma bonus.
      • (Score: 2) by Zz9zZ on Wednesday October 19 2016, @09:20PM

        by Zz9zZ (1348) on Wednesday October 19 2016, @09:20PM (#416348)

        Many of your comments will remain unseen by those who filter out score 0 comments, plus you have to tick a box every time (unless it is also a default you can set?).

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        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday October 19 2016, @09:56PM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 19 2016, @09:56PM (#416370) Journal
          It's a default you can set. I set it back when I first started posting.
        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday October 19 2016, @09:58PM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 19 2016, @09:58PM (#416372) Journal
          Under "preferences", go to the "Comments" tab, scroll to the bottom and click "No Karma Bonus".