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posted by martyb on Wednesday November 23 2016, @05:25PM   Printer-friendly
from the you-can-go-your-own-way-♩♫♩♫ dept.

Supporters of a plan for California to secede from the union took their first formal step Monday morning, submitting a proposed ballot measure to the state attorney general's office in the hopes of a statewide vote as soon as 2018.

Marcus Ruiz Evans, the vice president and co-founder of Yes California, said his group had been planning to wait for a later election, but the presidential election of Donald Trump sped up the timeline.

"We're doing it now because of all of the overwhelming attention," Evans said.

The Yes California group has been around for more than two years, Evans said. It is based around California taxpayers paying more money to the federal government than the state receives in spending, that Californians are culturally different from the rest of the country, and that national media and organizations routinely criticize Californians for being out of step with the rest of the U.S. 

Could California go it alone?


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by edIII on Thursday November 24 2016, @12:34AM

    by edIII (791) on Thursday November 24 2016, @12:34AM (#432220)

    It's not because of the election results, but what the new administration of white nationlist racist fuckwads PLAN on doing.

    That's why. They are not going to undo all of the progress and make us fight for another 40 fucking years just get equal rights to everyone, overtime pay for those that deserve it, all kinds of environmental regulations.

    What the limited government people forget, is that the vast majority of it falls under the simple fact that unless we tell corporations to act like human beings, and EXACTLY how to act in the best interests of the public (We the People), they never fucking do it. Regulations didn't occur in a vacuum, but originated first by the refusal of some corporations to do the right things.

    That's because Capitalism tells them (their version) that absolutely anything that greed dictates (profits going up) is instantly okay, and that nobody should have the rights to impugn on their freedom to do it, regardless of the human costs.

    I greatly suspect that the vast majority of people running around today don't realize that the regulations that Trump and small government people hate include the 8-hour day and overtime pay. All the coal miners being told to vote Trump is fucking rich when he and his vile cronies will give the coal baron back all of the power. We won't go back to the inhumane conditions of before will we? No chance? LOL. Get ready.

    THAT was something women and children died for in front of their protesting husbands that were massacred. There is a huge history of suffering about to be completely and utterly undone while hateful pieces of human excrement walk around (and online) spewing their hate filled rhetoric against immigrants, liberals, progressives, and anybody that has a brain and can understand climate science.

    The country has simply become too divided. This isn't an argument, dude, but a break up.

    Grounds for divorce couldn't be more clear to all parties involved.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Thursday November 24 2016, @03:41AM

    by hemocyanin (186) on Thursday November 24 2016, @03:41AM (#432260) Journal

    This freakout about Trump is nuts. Look at all the neocon shit Obama did over the last year. The Democrats literally epoxied their mouths shut and sat on their hands. Not one thought to ask "What would Cheney do with this power?" Had HRC won, the slide into police state would have continued unabated with not whisper of protest.

    Trump is a gift to progressive values. People will protest, push back, get unruly and as a result there will be compromise. The REACTION to Trump is the best thing to happen to progressives (whether they know it or not) since FDR.

  • (Score: 2) by BK on Thursday November 24 2016, @04:03AM

    by BK (4868) on Thursday November 24 2016, @04:03AM (#432266)

    I heard the same BS out of conservative talk back when Obama was elected. The sky was falling. The world was gonna end. OMG! Eric Holder is his AG nominee! They have plans!

    It's not because of the election results, but what the new administration of white nationlist racist fuckwads PLAN on doing.

    The (so called) MSM is/ has become to the left what talk-radio and infowars is to the right. The problem is not that these outlets exist... free speech is good... but rather when you can't filter it. I don't think Trump knows what he plans do do really. I'm not sure that he can last a year in office without doing something that will lead "his own" party to impeach him. But the MSM is telling us about his 'plans'. Somehow they 'know'. Maybe like they knew how the election was gonna turn out.

    They are XXX going to undo all of the progress and make us fight for another 40 fucking years just get equal rights to everyone, overtime pay for those that deserve it, all kinds of environmental regulations.

    The BHO administration, frustrated by a congress who could not produce legislation, started pushing the limits of what the executive branch could do without the legislative. The problem with this approach is that the undo process is the same for a future administration. So yes, they're probably gonna roll back the easy stuff. And because congress doesn't need to get involved, there will be lots of easy stuff.

    give the coal baron back all of the power. We won't go back to the inhumane conditions of before will we? No chance?

    When you do a thing unintentionally, it's an accident. When you do a bad accident to lots of people, it's a tragedy. But when you know what you are doing and it kills people, it's murder. And when you support a murderer... [washingtonpost.com]

    If BHO had dealt with this [washingtonpost.com] decisively, HRC would have won. If he had found a better answer to this problem, HRC would have won. If he had dealt with these guys [google.com], HRC would have won. Any one of those. Before you blame Trump for what he has not yet done, you should look at your own heroes...

    This isn't an argument, dude, but a break up.

    This didn't happen back in 2009 because people remember what happened last time there was a 'breakup'. Even when BHO twisted the knife [politico.com]... I thought HRC supporters were supposed to be more educated?

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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 24 2016, @01:12PM

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 24 2016, @01:12PM (#432371) Journal

    It's not because of the election results, but what the new administration of white nationlist racist fuckwads PLAN on doing.

    You equate that with capitalists, greed, and so on. It's yet another reminder of how bankrupt those phrases are these days. I think what's most telling here is that they aren't any more racist than you are. Should we similarly discount your beliefs and interests?

    What the limited government people forget, is that the vast majority of it falls under the simple fact that unless we tell corporations to act like human beings, and EXACTLY how to act in the best interests of the public (We the People), they never fucking do it. Regulations didn't occur in a vacuum, but originated first by the refusal of some corporations to do the right things.

    Follow the money. At least half the US budget is social programs not regulation. So right there, the "vast majority" doesn't fall under regulation.

    I greatly suspect that the vast majority of people running around today don't realize that the regulations that Trump and small government people hate include the 8-hour day and overtime pay. All the coal miners being told to vote Trump is fucking rich when he and his vile cronies will give the coal baron back all of the power. We won't go back to the inhumane conditions of before will we? No chance? LOL. Get ready.

    Let us recall that the most powerful tool of the large business and cartel is barrier to entry [wikipedia.org]. Complex and onerous regulation is a key part of the current US approach to creating such barriers to entry. I think the thing I despise most about politics are the people who create the problem they claim they want to fix.