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Supporters of a plan for California to secede from the union took their first formal step Monday morning, submitting a proposed ballot measure to the state attorney general's office in the hopes of a statewide vote as soon as 2018.
Marcus Ruiz Evans, the vice president and co-founder of Yes California, said his group had been planning to wait for a later election, but the presidential election of Donald Trump sped up the timeline.
"We're doing it now because of all of the overwhelming attention," Evans said.
The Yes California group has been around for more than two years, Evans said. It is based around California taxpayers paying more money to the federal government than the state receives in spending, that Californians are culturally different from the rest of the country, and that national media and organizations routinely criticize Californians for being out of step with the rest of the U.S.
Could California go it alone?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 24 2016, @03:53AM
As you can see, secession did not immediately lead to war, and the inability to come to agreement over Federal installations within the seceded states could have been prolonged indefinitely without coming to blows, if both sides had been willing to let it.
It was an untenable situation. The number of weeks or months that the crisis dragged on is immaterial - everyone on both sides knew that either capitulation or fighting was inevitable.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 24 2016, @05:39AM
As you can see, secession did not immediately lead to war, and the inability to come to agreement over Federal installations within the seceded states could have been prolonged indefinitely without coming to blows, if both sides had been willing to let it.
It was an untenable situation. The number of weeks or months that the crisis dragged on is immaterial - everyone on both sides knew that either capitulation or fighting was inevitable.
A lot of people knew that about the Cold War, too.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 24 2016, @03:13PM
Gorbachev blinked
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 24 2016, @03:14PM
It was an untenable situation. The number of weeks or months that the crisis dragged on is immaterial - everyone on both sides knew that either capitulation or fighting was inevitable.
If you're speaking of the situation before the US Civil War, no they didn't know that because fighting wasn't inevitable and delay was advantageous. For example, the longer that the Confederacy could prevent war, the better their odds of lining up a European ally willing to commit troops (even token amounts would suffice), the more likely that the US would be to acknowledge the situation without a fight, and there was also a possibility of still getting Kentucky, Maryland, or Missouri to join the Confederacy as well.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 24 2016, @03:44PM
I did say either capitulation or fighting was inevitable.
The Union fort doesn't just go away as time passes.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday November 25 2016, @02:55PM
The Union fort doesn't just go away as time passes.
Germany has a similar problem, yet they manage to muddle through the day.