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posted by martyb on Wednesday November 23 2016, @05:25PM   Printer-friendly
from the you-can-go-your-own-way-♩♫♩♫ dept.

Supporters of a plan for California to secede from the union took their first formal step Monday morning, submitting a proposed ballot measure to the state attorney general's office in the hopes of a statewide vote as soon as 2018.

Marcus Ruiz Evans, the vice president and co-founder of Yes California, said his group had been planning to wait for a later election, but the presidential election of Donald Trump sped up the timeline.

"We're doing it now because of all of the overwhelming attention," Evans said.

The Yes California group has been around for more than two years, Evans said. It is based around California taxpayers paying more money to the federal government than the state receives in spending, that Californians are culturally different from the rest of the country, and that national media and organizations routinely criticize Californians for being out of step with the rest of the U.S. 

Could California go it alone?


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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 24 2016, @03:32PM

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 24 2016, @03:32PM (#432416) Journal

    but the scared conservative types ruin every implementation

    Can't have a successful Big Brother without an Emmanuel Goldstein scapegoat.

    Nevermind that the successful socialist countries have statistically better indexes across the board for education, health, and happiness.

    And the unsuccessful ones don't.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 24 2016, @11:03PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 24 2016, @11:03PM (#432641)

    Name one.

    ...and if you name a Oligarchical Liberal Democracy with elements of State Capitalism and without Democracy in the Workplace, I will point out that your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries.

    -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday November 25 2016, @03:10AM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 25 2016, @03:10AM (#432724) Journal
      The USSR and other such communist countries of the 20th Century, of course. State capitalism (which of course has nothing to do with actual capitalism) and lack of democracy in the workplace is just another variant of socialism.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @10:27PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @10:27PM (#433016)

        You are still are omitting the quotation marks around words that are clearly-established bullshit.
        No country has ever come anywhere close to the meaning of that word as defined by Marx.

        Though they -claim- to be following Marx's works, the "Commies" shit all over his idea and set up Totalitarian governments.

        The Mensheviks, who had the better, more worker-centric plan, were quashed in the early days of Leninism.
        In 1921, even before Lenin was dead, the Bolsheviks had set up a board of directors [google.com] that wasn't answerable to The Workers.
        Their State Capitalism was very much like other examples of Capitalism.

        lack of democracy in the workplace

        ...is called Capitalism.

        is just another variant of socialism

        Your deep ignorance of economic systems is on display yet again.
        You are describing OLIGARCHY, which is a GOVERNMENTAL system.
        ...and, as already mentioned, Capitalist exploitation of The Workers.

        -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday November 26 2016, @12:44AM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 26 2016, @12:44AM (#433053) Journal

          Their State Capitalism was very much like other examples of Capitalism.

          It's not even close. Like claiming fake diamonds are diamonds.