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Greybeard-built Debian fork bringing init freedom on track for early 2017 release
The self-proclaimed "Veteran Unix Admins" forking Debian in the name of init freedom have released Beta 2 of their "Devuan" Linux distribution.
Devuan came about after some users felt it had become too desktop-friendly. The change the greybeards objected to most was the decision to replace sysvinit init with systemd, a move felt to betray core Unix principles of user choice and keeping bloat to a bare minimum.
Supporters of init freedom also dispute assertions that systemd is in all ways superior to sysvinit init, arguing that Debian ignored viable alternatives like sinit, openrc, runit, s6 and shepherd. All are therefore included in Devuan.
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You're being followed. Cut out the hanky-panky for a few days.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by JNCF on Saturday December 03 2016, @09:28PM
Here's my argument for starting with Ubuntu: the sheer volume of tutorials directed at complete novices. If you go with Mint or Devuan you'll find less up-to-date information targeted at beginners than you will with Ubuntu. Ubuntu has a big community with a great newbie-helping culture. I view Ubuntu as a gateway Linux; you should start using Ubuntu because it's easy to find help when you hit a dumb wall like not knowing where a certain menu is, and you should stop using Ubuntu if and when you discover that Ubuntu has made something way more complex than it should be. There's a chance you never will make that discovery, in which case Ubuntu will have sufficiently insulated you from its underlying complexity and you won't have to worry about it; I don't know what you use your computer for.
I also think Ubuntu has a pretty decent default desktop environment with a nice starter set of keyboard shortcuts, which you can to view at any time by holding down the Windows/Meta/Super key. It's not my favorite, but I can unflinchingly say that I prefer it to Windows 7.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 03 2016, @10:09PM
If you go with Ubuntu, install then login to gnome-flashback session. It's more like WinXP user interface than the Unity crap they now use as default.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Sunday December 04 2016, @01:17AM
I don't see anything factually wrong about your post, however WRT
tutorials directed at complete novices.
Very few novices write a custom initscript from scratch as their first experience with an OS. They won't know the difference.
apt-get install emacs is pretty much gonna do what it always did, etc.
(Score: 2) by JNCF on Sunday December 04 2016, @05:54PM
That's totally fair, I was actually thinking more along the lines of GUI-related ignorance. I don't know GGP-AC's use cases, but he might be a point-and-clicker -- and they still get frustrated when switching user interfaces. There are a bunch of tutorials available for Ubuntu users who get stuck on really simple tasks, and I've seen this be really helpful.
I woke up this morning realising that I'd failed to mention Ubuntu's very real GUI-related security concerns. No, I don't want to tell Amazon every time I search for an application locally. That should be opt-in, not opt-out.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 05 2016, @12:01AM
The Ubuntu Shopping Lens has been disabled by default since April. [google.com]
This has been covered here previously. [soylentnews.org]
You can stop your hand-waving about this issue.
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As for your previous post regarding tutorials, folks have to be careful that what they find applies to the version they are using.
In that respect, it's not so different from Windoze tutorials.
A large volume of how-tos is nice--as long as those are all actually applicable.
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