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The guardian reports on a sobering event in Washington DC.
US police have arrested a man wielding an assault rifle who entered a pizza restaurant that was the target of fake news reports it was operating a child abuse ring led by Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and her top campaign aide.
[...] The suspect entered the restaurant and pointed a gun at a restaurant employee, who fled and notified authorities, police said. The man then discharged the weapon inside the restaurant. There were no injuries.
[...] [Police] said the suspect during an interview with investigators revealed that he came to the establishment to "self-investigate" Pizzagate, the police statement said. Pizzagate is a baseless conspiracy, which falsely claims Clinton and her campaign chief John Podesta were running a child sex ring from the restaurant's backrooms.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06 2016, @12:57PM
If you believe that what you wrote is how those things were reported, then you are part of the problem.
And the idiots who voted you up as insightful, god damn.
The blame is squarely on the "right" who, time and time and again, prove that they couldn't be more wrong.
Here's the quote from Karl Rove disparaging the "reality-based community"
The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06 2016, @01:18PM
"Fake News" article [thebarentsobserver.com]
Original CNN Article [cnn.com]
Editor's note:The headline and first paragraph of this article were updated on December 1, 2016 to reflect that the exercises took place some distance from Norway's border with Russia, outside the town of Bardufoss.
So it looks like it took about 30 seconds of research to figure out that CNN's frightening video (aired on 1 December at lunchtime) and accompanying article were complete bullshit and that this is a joint exercise that happens every single year. But omg Trump.
And it looks like it took "Fake News" to make CNN issue somewhat of a retraction, except instead of saying "the extreme other end of the country as far away from Russia as is possible," they did a "I'm still not wrong" by saying "some distance from the border."
But have fun keeping the for profit media as your sole trustworthy source of everything. It's written for people like you. I'm sure Jill Stein will uncover that Hillary victory the media told you would happen as well, despite the fact all three recounts have yielded a widening gap in votes for Trump making it seem like the voter fraud actually went in Hillary's favor.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06 2016, @01:30PM
Let me get this straight.
You are complaining that an obscure story was published with a minor error that was not only corrected, but the correction was noted at the top of the story?
Really?
Really?
That's what you consider a persuasive damning of the lügenpresse?
When the standard is 100% perfection, you guarantee 100% failure because if 99% accuracy and 0% accuracy are morally equal, pretty soon all the people who care about doing the best job they can will give up since there work isn't valued. And then, all that's left are those who are fine with 0% accuracy.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06 2016, @01:49PM
Clearly your post cannot be trusted because you wrote "there" where "their" would be correct. That demonstrates that you are clearly not caring about accuracy, so we have to assume that whatever you wrote is inaccurate, and therefore not to be trusted. So obviously you are just spreading lies. ;-)
(Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 06 2016, @03:15PM
Obscure story? WTF? WW3 isn't an obscure possibility, or an obscure story. WTF? CNN apparently wrote the story to imply that Russia was moving on Norway, as a consequence of Trump's election. Did you bother to READ?
"The story was published at 10.11 GMT on November 30. When the Barents Observer checked the portal around noon Norwegian time, the misleading headline was still top story. Lt Col Skogmo says CNN’s reporter was contacted 06.30 in morning to get the headline changed. At 12.12 GMT on December 1st, CNN took action and updated the story with a new headline. 30 hours after first published."
Misleading stories are misleading stories. CNN is to damned big for any damned fool to be calling it an obscure publication. A large segment of the world depends on CNN for their news. Or, at least a large segment of the US population, and a smaller portion of the world population.
The BEST that can be said of CNN, is that they sensationalised a routine story to alarm their readers. That is the BEST that can be said. We can say much worse.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06 2016, @03:26PM
> CNN apparently wrote the story to imply that Russia was moving on Norway, as a consequence of Trump's election. Did you bother to READ?
Did you? Because what the article actually says is that Norway is afraid that Trump is going to back out of NATO.
Calm your hysteria dude.
> Misleading stories are misleading stories.
NO That's the same bullshit black and white thinking that enables the worst lies.
Everybody makes mistakes. To err is human. Legitimate news organizations publish corrections. Malicious publishers just double down.
As long as you can't, or won't, distinguish between those who make a good faith effort and those who deliberately mislead, then you are collaborating with the liars.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Tuesday December 06 2016, @04:57PM
Everybody makes mistakes.
But some repeatedly make mistakes that benefit themselves or favor some side.
As long as you can't, or won't, distinguish between those who make a good faith effort and those who deliberately mislead, then you are collaborating with the liars.
Heal thyself, physician.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06 2016, @05:13PM
> But some repeatedly make mistakes that benefit themselves or favor some side.
That's the story of your entire posting history.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by AthanasiusKircher on Tuesday December 06 2016, @05:42PM
WW3 isn't an obscure possibility, or an obscure story.
I don't see anything about World War 3. I see discussion of a new "Cold War." In case you don't remember, the OLD "Cold War" wasn't World War 3 either. It mostly consisted of a bunch of posturing on both sides, and the only warfare happened mostly through third-parties and confusing alliances in remote countries. I don't mean to underestimate how dire it was, but there's a big difference between implying an ongoing Cold War (which, guess what -- we do basically STILL have in some respects) vs. the onslaught of WW3.
CNN apparently wrote the story to imply that Russia was moving on Norway, as a consequence of Trump's election.
I don't see any evidence of that. I see a headline that implied the U.S. was making a posturing maneuver on a border. There's no mention of "Trump's election" anywhere in the story. And these sorts of stories are NOTHING NEW, since various countries in Eastern Europe ARE concerned about possible Russian invasions and actions, and they were scared BEFORE the election.
From CNN (2/26/2015): Norway: There's no more normality with Russia [cnn.com], which interviewed the Norwegian defense minister on escalating tensions with Russia
From CNN (2/18/2016): U.S. stationing tanks and artillery sent to Norway [cnn.com]
From CNN (10/18/2016, updated 10/24/2016): Norway welcomes US Marines amid Russian tensions [cnn.com]
And it's not just Norway. See, for example, CNN (10/28/2016): Lithuania issues manual on what to do if Russia invades [cnn.com], where Lithuania published a manual on defense in the event of invasion, which -- as the story notes -- is the THIRD TIME Lithuania has published such a manual since Russia's invasion of Crimea. Again, the story contains interviews with the secretary of defense from that country.
There's a LOT of tension in Eastern Europe over Russia, and it has nothing to do with the election of Trump. These are ongoing stories. I see no evidence in your quoted story or elsewhere that the publication of this story (or its error) had ANYTHING to do with Trump.
"The story was published at 10.11 GMT on November 30. When the Barents Observer checked the portal around noon Norwegian time, the misleading headline was still top story. Lt Col Skogmo says CNN’s reporter was contacted 06.30 in morning to get the headline changed. At 12.12 GMT on December 1st, CNN took action and updated the story with a new headline. 30 hours after first published."
A lot is unclear in this paragraph. On what day did the Barents Observe "check the portal around noon Norwegian time"? What time zone is "06.30 in morning to get the headline changed"? The most obvious reading of this paragraph is that the Norwegians contacted CNN at either 06.30 GMT or Norwegian time on December 1st, and CNN changed the headline about 6 hours later. Also, I'm not sure who performed the math that claims "12.12 GMT on 12/1 minus 10.11 GMT on 11/30" = 30 hours, since that looks clearly like 26 hours to me.
I'm not trying to quibble here -- just point out that your own source is ALSO exaggerating for some reason. Are you going to call them out for their error, too?? And why did it take the Norwegians something like 20 hours to get around to contacting CNN, if, as Col. Skogmo is reported in your link, he "had a busy day" apparently fielding questions from media? If they were that concerned about the incorrect info, and they were concerned about how it was spreading to other media sources, why did THEY not act sooner?
Or is Col. Skogmo in on your conspiracy theory, too?!
The BEST that can be said of CNN, is that they sensationalised a routine story to alarm their readers.
Or somebody made a legitimate geographical mistake. Or the reporter got it right but somebody along the chain of editing tried to "punch it up" a bit and misread the distance or location. Even with the 24 hour news cycle, it frequently takes several hours for retractions or corrections to made -- I agree with you that this was a clear error and it should not have taken so long. But given that such delays are COMMONPLACE if you actually pay attention to news cycles and how corrections tend to be made, I think it's reaching quite a bit to summarily assume the delay was strategic, let alone had anything to do with Trump.
Furthermore, the outrage in your article mostly seems to come from the claim that NATO is never allowed to exercises near the Russian border. So that supposedly made the story much more inflammatory. But it's doubtful that such intent could be ascribed to a CNN reporter who made a geographical error -- they didn't know where the border was in relation to the exercises, but they supposedly knew about a policy hatched 50 years ago about Norwegian-Russian relations?
Or -- MAYBE -- CNN did have this complex plot to get everyone worked up, and delayed fixing the story for a few hours after it took nearly a day for the Norwegians to contact them about fixing it. To what end? To start WW3?!? Apparently, according to you, to get people more worked up about Trump, even though he isn't even mentioned in the coverage. Why?
Anyhow -- whatever you may think here -- let's be clear on one thing: CNN *did* publish a correction. Actual "fake news" sites don't do that, because they don't care about facts at all. They make them up. That's what actually makes "fake" news.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday December 06 2016, @08:36PM
That the last "cold war" didn't end human civilization, and possibly humanity, is down to shear luck, and some brave Russian soldiers who defied launch orders. And we were at one point 30 seconds from a US initiated WWIII. That we still exist is one of the reasons I believe in the multiverse, as by any rational calculation we would have killed ourselves off by now. How we will be able to avoid it with nuclear arms spreading (slowly, but spreading) is something ... well, in SOME branch of the multiverse we'll survive, but expect most of your futures to experience destruction. All we can hope to do is to change the probabilities of what the future will hold.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06 2016, @09:14PM
is down to shear luck,
"Yes, these are my lucky scissors, why do you ask?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06 2016, @05:53PM
I did bother to read both the links and neither one of them say any such thing. Did you bother to read the links? Closer to the mark, it appears that Norway is now worried about Trump's apparent wavering commitment to honor a decades-old NATO alliance.
No, the sensationalism is coming from you and your Trump-supporting buddies. Next time, you would do well to read for content. You embarrass yourself (again!) when you make it obvious that you don't understand what is being discussed.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06 2016, @05:43PM
I read the links you posted. Did you? Because it appears that you have misunderstood what these articles are telling you. Nick Paton Walsh wrote a story about (yearly?) military exercises in Norway that US soldiers participate in. The story also includes a discussion about patrols on the Russian border by Norwegian soldiers; the intent appears to be to underline why these exercises are so important. Somehow, you--and, presumably some other Trumpsters--erroneously conflated the two vignettes as meaning that Paton Walsh was reporting that US soldiers were holding their exercises on the Russian border. It appears that you are the one spewing bullshit here.
Protip: before you go flying off the handle like that, you should really make sure you understand what is being discussed. Otherwise you end up looking like a know-nothing doofus.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by VLM on Tuesday December 06 2016, @02:44PM
How is that a "right wing" thing when it is the same behavior in left wing areas like college campus LARPing?
Obviously when the right was in charge you'll get more people paying attention to a right guy saying how everyone in power acts. Or when the left is in momentary charge they get the same attention and the same observation can be made about Hillary and her Benghazi adventure, for example. Or Obama's policy toward ISIS or for that matter Russia?
Its more a design pattern of power and authoritarianism where you only researched one dude from one side but everyone does it.
A good analogy would be the time Bush puked on the president of Japan and trying to spread a narrative that puking on people is right wing or maybe even alt-right "literally hitler". But in reality everyone pukes sooner or later even people not in positions of political power. Or think of leftie Hollywood "college movie trope" for example, so clearly it don't mean nothing. Although it is a true observation that everyone pukes or everyone holding propaganda power tends to use it.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06 2016, @06:45PM
You're trying to conflate a game, where everyone involved knows its fake and not real and has no impact on reality, with people pushing fake news onto others as if its true with the intent of having everyone believe that its factually correct and describes whats occurring in reality?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06 2016, @09:47PM
Its crazy, right?
What could possibly lead someone to make that kind of equivalency?
All I can come up with is debilitating mental illness.
(Score: 2) by tynin on Tuesday December 06 2016, @10:29PM
VLM, buddy, their are some crazy hardcore right-wingers out LARPing as well. And by some, I mean, the divide looks a lot like how this country ends up voting.
Then again, you are responding to an AC who's modded Troll... and the more I re-read your's, I'm getting a lot of Troll out of it too.
Indeed, after the 3rd re-read, I'm actually enjoying and laughing at the obviousness of it. Touche!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06 2016, @10:37PM
Read his other posts.
Either he's dedicated to trolling at a near-superhuman level.
Or he's telling you exactly what he believes.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 07 2016, @08:25AM
The difference being one side lost the election to a tv reality star (really, that's one for the record books), and the other imploded upon impact.
At the moment, the absolute best critiques of Trump aren't coming from the left, but from old stalwart conservatives like Ben Shapiro. Let that sink in for a bit. One of the previous superstars of the "fake news" galaxy is doing some of the most incisive analysis of the problems with Trump.
You realize then how inconsequential the left, the MSM, and most of this mewling about fake news is. This is the last gasps of a failed ideology demanding attention while the rest of the world has moved on.
But wait, there's more-
What's worse is the left can't even get some reflected glory because that would mean sharing the street with conservatives, independents, libertarians, and moderates; and would bring into sharp focus the lefts' absence when the complaints about Obama were taking place.
The liberals' nightmare has finally come true- the country is right and further right. Liberalism is dead (at least in its current incarnation), and this fake news bit is nothing more than a last bid to maintain some relevance while the rest of us set the body on fire.