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The guardian reports on a sobering event in Washington DC.
US police have arrested a man wielding an assault rifle who entered a pizza restaurant that was the target of fake news reports it was operating a child abuse ring led by Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and her top campaign aide.
[...] The suspect entered the restaurant and pointed a gun at a restaurant employee, who fled and notified authorities, police said. The man then discharged the weapon inside the restaurant. There were no injuries.
[...] [Police] said the suspect during an interview with investigators revealed that he came to the establishment to "self-investigate" Pizzagate, the police statement said. Pizzagate is a baseless conspiracy, which falsely claims Clinton and her campaign chief John Podesta were running a child sex ring from the restaurant's backrooms.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Serial_Priest on Tuesday December 06 2016, @01:11PM
Another summary of the suspicious circumstances that draws parallels to past child abuse and trafficking cases may be found here: http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/12/pizzagate/ [counter-currents.com]
There is a fair bit of confirmation bias in the evaluation of the Podesta emails, but there is also a lot of smoke.
What seems unambiguous is that Comet Pizza is uncharacteristically well-connected and influential in elite circles and that most involved have a taste for sexually suggestive artwork and music involving children and simulated child abuse.
(Related - as a DC resident I can confirm that a significant number of people in government/finance are involved in sexual degeneracy and thrill-seeking, and there are generally rumors of children being "available" though I've never seen confirmation.)
(Score: 3, Interesting) by VLM on Tuesday December 06 2016, @01:52PM
most involved have a taste for sexually suggestive artwork and music involving children and simulated child abuse.
Some of the "art" stuff the owner of the CP restaurant and Podesta's family publicly admits to owning don't even bat an eye in DC but would be probable cause for a CP warrant anywhere else. Which leads to the puzzle of how much of the massive over the top backlash is due to actually covering up a CP ring or abuse ring and how much is merely a PR exercise in that they're guilty of nothing other than being utter sexual degenerates which probably sells very well in DC and certain "urban areas" but not so well in 99% of the country.
The situation is nearly perfectly analogous to the Marilyn Monroe/JFK situation. Probably JFK or the SS did not kill her and had nothing to do with her death. However in the short run any discussion of that conspiracy had to be almost violently suppressed (maybe was violently suppressed?) because no one knew JFK was going to be assassinated (well, thats another topic) and he was secretly fucking her brains out on a regular basis which if that got out at that time, probably wouldn't help his re-election campaign, so the whole murder conspiracy thing had to be stomped on which meant it must have been true given the extreme reaction. Now that his sex life with her is public knowledge and not controversial as an accepted fact, nobody gives a shit about loony conspiracy theories so they naturally die out. JFK was basically the behavior prototype of Bill Clinton, except he never got shot and some of the chicks didn't enjoy his company (he must not be very good, or not as good as JFK was) leading to rape allegations the morning after etc.
Likewise there's something going on at high levels in the D party that is probably not illegal CP or abuse, but there is a possible story lead about something legal or semi legal where Huma and/or her estranged husband are having group recreational activities "rug munching" or whatever with bill and hillary, or the podestas and/or the people running the pizzeria have some kind of mental issue where they love children in an inappropriate way, although they've never acted on their urges beyond buying disgusting "art" that if it didn't come from famous and well connected progressive "artists" would get incinerated as the CP that it is. I'd say given the over the top censorship reaction there's about 100% odds there's something disgusting but legal going on leading to massive censorship overreaction against the conspiracy. Its not illegal if Huma and Hillary find each others companionship to be highly satisfying but it would make an uncomfortable TV infotainment scandal show headline.
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Tuesday December 06 2016, @06:02PM
In the end, your 'best case scenario' is probably closest to the truth. My problem with the whole hog satanic pedo ring theory is logistics. Where do they get all the kids and where do they dispose of the bodies? No way you have recognizable world leaders buggering kids and letting them live to testify so they would have to be sacrificing them to Satan and disposing of a lot of bodies. That makes for a lot of moving parts in an operation that would have had to have been operating for decades right in the heart of every Western Capital.
Of course if we really want to think dark, Pedo rings HAVE been turning up in the heart of Western Civ for some time now. Norway just broke one up involving elected officials. And isn't it interesting how little international coverage it got. The BBC comes to mind. The Madeleine McCann incident is really spooky, that wanted poster really does resemble the Podestas and Weiner, who really (still not as certain about Weiner and 'his' police sketch isn't as close a fit) were in the area at the time and they really were staying with a guy who was just arrested on pedo charges. Juts how much circumstantial evidence does #pizzagate need to dig before we have to say there is some fire inside the cloud of smoke.
All of which leads to the inescapable conclusion that whether it is true or not we will never be told. Trump might quietly clean it up, but there would be no public mention. If true this story would throw society into an upheaval far worse than if saucers landed on the White House lawn.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday December 06 2016, @07:09PM
Not disagreeing with any of that, but the logistics are a lot simpler if its one kid per lifetime "initiation" or whatever rather than one kid every friday night with a large pepperoni with extra sausage. Might explain the weird art. Looking at art rather than doing. One kid every new years celebration perhaps for the whole coven or whatever they'd call themselves.
Something interesting to think about is they have a congressional page system to provide a steady stream of high school kids. Maybe they're a little old for their tastes such that the artwork leans young in reaction.
Probably going to turn out like the spirit cooking thing, which interestingly is mostly the same people. Are they actually opening gates to hell and eating human flesh, well, it seems not, merely symbolically (which is almost as bad, and for PR reasons almost seems worse).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06 2016, @11:38PM
> Probably going to turn out like the spirit cooking thing,
You mean a big bunch of nothing?
“just a normal menu, which I call spirit cooking. There was no blood, no anything else. We just call things funny names, that’s all,”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/11/04/no-john-podesta-didnt-drink-bodily-fluids-at-a-secret-satanist-dinner/ [washingtonpost.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 07 2016, @02:01AM
https://sli.mg/a/mdv0hG
Explain that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 07 2016, @04:37AM
You seem unfamiliar with the concept of performance art.
Which. I am sure, the artist would take great pleasure in.
Not unlike when an author of a fake news story finds someone who took it at face value.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday December 06 2016, @11:30PM
And Bill Cosby was drugging and raping women for years. Not just anonymous women, but women with clout. The dude was the poster child for family values in the 80's. His show and his comedy were wholesome entertainment.
The Belgian politician Marc Dutroux had a pedophilia operation going for years.
Just to add a couple more examples. There is too much precedence now to dismiss allegations out of hand. People in power often commit ghastly crimes.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06 2016, @11:53PM
Ugh. Base rate fallacy for the fail.
Just because there are a handful of high profile cases out of a population of tens, if not hundreds of thousands, does not validate something outlandish supported by nothing more than coincidence.
The cosby case was well known long before it broke in the public, even had been to court and settled with previous victims more than a decade prior.
And Dutroux was not a politician. He was a damn car thief who had been in and out of prison and liked to tell tall tales that were completely unsupported by evidence.
Come on man, get a grip on reality.
(Score: 2) by wisnoskij on Tuesday December 06 2016, @02:39PM
This. Some of the people drawing conclusions and parallels are either alien conspiracy stupid or paid to cloud the issue. But their are serious questions that should be answered.
Did Obama actually pay a hundred thousand dollars to get hot-dogs shipped in from Chicago? I had heard at one point that the White House does not allow outside catering, which makes sense from a security perspective (is this true)?
Their are a series of other similar questions, like does John Podesta actually own a secret hot dog stand in Hawaii, and why?
Why do a whole bunch of diverse elites seem to worship (???presumably tongue in cheek???) some sort of satanic old world god of child sacrifice?
Why are paintings of child torture and sexual abuse legal, and why is anyone is the public spotlight willing to be friends with people who make and collect that sick shit?
What is with the Lolita Express? Is that a conspiracy theory, or does it legit exist and have the Clinton's taken rides on it?
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Tuesday December 06 2016, @03:18PM
Did Obama actually pay a hundred thousand dollars to get hot-dogs shipped in from Chicago? I had heard at one point that the White House does not allow outside catering, which makes sense from a security perspective (is this true)?
Their are a series of other similar questions, like does John Podesta actually own a secret hot dog stand in Hawaii, and why?
If they're using their own money, who the fuck cares?
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06 2016, @09:45PM
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Tuesday December 06 2016, @10:18PM
Use your words
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2) by jimtheowl on Tuesday December 06 2016, @06:10PM