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California Attorney General Kamala Harris, who will be resigning soon prior to joining Congress as a U.S. Senator, has filed new "pimping" charges against the CEO and other executives of Backpage. The previous set of charges were dismissed by a judge less than two weeks ago. Backpage is an online classified advertising website known for its listings of escort services:
Harris said the new charges were based on new evidence. A Sacramento County judge threw out pimping charges against the men on 9 December, citing federal free-speech laws. In the latest case, filed in Sacramento County superior court, Harris claims Backpage illegally funnelled money through multiple companies and created various websites to get around banks that refused to process transactions. She also alleged that the company used photos of women from Backpage on other sites without their permission in order to increase revenue and knowingly profited from the proceeds of prostitution.
"By creating an online brothel – a hotbed of illicit and exploitative activity – Carl Ferrer, Michael Lacey, and James Larkin preyed on vulnerable victims, including children, and profited from their exploitation," Harris said in a statement.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday December 26 2016, @09:35PM
It's less likely than you think. More likely Kamala [wikipedia.org] wants to pull an Obama.
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(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 26 2016, @10:11PM
That doesn't sound like "pimping." No mention of them being charged with anything related to "money funneling."
That sounds kinda bad, if it's really true. Maybe putting photos on the site implied permission according to the terms of service. Sounds sketchy, but it still doesn't sound like pimping. Sounds more like making excuses for charging them with something that you don't have evidence to charge them with.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 26 2016, @10:27PM
What new evidence?
It's right here in the summary:
A Sacramento County judge threw out pimping charges against the men on 9 December, citing federal free-speech laws.
That was evidence she had to try a different tactic to try to put them in jail.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by MrGuy on Monday December 26 2016, @10:48PM
The previous charges were dismissed because the Communications Decency Act specifically exempted website owners from legal responsibility of the actions of their third-party users. For example, Craigslist isn't guilty of a crime just because someone tries to sell stolen goods via a Craigslist Ad.
To get around that defense, it appears the prosecution is alleging that the owners of Backpage weren't simply providing a neutral service that was used by others to facilitate a crime, but rather that Backpage executives were active participants in the crime itself.
It appears they're taking two approaches on this. If Backpage actively and knowingly helped facilitate payment activity for illegal activities, they can't claim to be just an unknowing communication service provider. That could potentially defeat the shield from the Communications Decency Act.
Second, if the owners of the site used the illegal content to privately profit from it, it would be hard to argue they didn't know about anything illegal going on. And if they actively created some of the offending content, it's not third parties who did the bad actions. The Communications Decency Act only protects platform providers, not content creators.
It's not clear what, if any, evidence there is to back up either of these claims. Allegations are not evidence. The previous dismissal made it pretty clear that the court won't hold Backpage liable for user-created content, so they need to have something substantial to prove Backpage execs were more actively involved in the illegal activity. Whether they have enough evidence to convince a court is something that we'll have to see.
(Score: 2) by timbim on Tuesday December 27 2016, @08:07AM
sounds exactly like what facebook does to me!
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday December 27 2016, @06:48PM
No mention of them being charged with anything related to "money funneling."
Harris, an incoming US senator, said she had charged Backpage executives Carl Ferrer, Michael Lacey and James Larkin with 13 counts of pimping and conspiracy to commit pimping. They also are charged with 26 counts of money laundering.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday December 26 2016, @10:24PM
We've seen this a number of times. Someone with an over inflated sense of self importance just can't let things go. These people were dismissed, but this woman won't allow some stupid judge to over rule her judgement. The defendants are evil, so they must pay. In this case, "Because I'm a congress critter now, I'm going to work on new laws formed to burn these evil bastards!"
#warmonger #Biden #impeach_Mayorkas
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 27 2016, @05:42AM
Ah, you're just saying that because the pervs she is prosecuting are Republican disruptive entrepreneurs of Web2.0! Prostitution, on a computer!
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 26 2016, @11:13PM
so this "I AM THE LAW" idiot is going to be in the US Senate? :( :( :(
(Score: 4, Insightful) by PinkyGigglebrain on Monday December 26 2016, @11:35PM
You know this has nothing to do with actually helping victims and everything to do with making a name for themselves when they use hot button phrases like "preyed on vulnerable victims, including children,"
Bitch.
There are already separate laws to protect children and others from slave traffickers/abusers. Legalize prostitution and almost all the problems associated with it will vanish almost completely overnight. Why doesn't a woman turn in a violent client/pimp who assaults her or forces her to work? Because they know they'll get arrested too. Why doesn't a client report a suspected trafficking victim? because they'll get arrested too if they try.
"Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
(Score: 2) by mendax on Monday December 26 2016, @11:45PM
She's just beating a dead horse. It's just a little more dead this time around. Hopefully she doesn't find herself wearing it in January when she goes to Washington next month.
It's really quite a simple choice: Life, Death, or Los Angeles.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by jelizondo on Tuesday December 27 2016, @12:01AM
There is a similar, unrelated case [latimes.com], of a man wrongly convicted; quoting from the LA TIMES, the guy was indicted in 1998 and released until 2013 thanks to Kamala Harris, AG for California, who appealed his motions to keep him in jail:
"[...] A federal magistrate reviewed those facts and determined that Larsen deserved to have his conviction overturned because his lawyer was inadequate.[...] 'Had the jury heard the exculpatory testimony,' the magistrate wrote, 'no reasonable juror would have found [Larsen] guilty.' The magistrate's recommendations were reviewed and upheld by a second federal judge in 2009. [...] Yet the California attorney general's office objected to releasing Larsen, and he remains behind bars while the fight over his release is appealed. [...] it is exceptionally rare for a federal judge to conclude that an inmate is 'actually innocent.' Under these circumstances, Atty. Gen. Kamala Harris would be wise to back off and let Larsen go. "
Apparently when she decides you're guilty, you are, regardless of judges or juries.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday December 27 2016, @01:05AM
Although it doesn't reflect well on her character, that seems to be the norm for AGs. And if they are shuffling into higher political offices, it's no surprise that they want to be seen as tough on crime.
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 27 2016, @02:00AM
(Score: 4, Insightful) by takyon on Tuesday December 27 2016, @02:17AM
"Tough on crime" also means incarcerating drug users, putting everyone on the sex offender list, and 3 strikes laws. It doesn't have to make sense. It just has to be tough. There can be no sign of weakness, compromise, or remorse.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 27 2016, @04:22PM
guy pulls away his down comforter looks around and realizes prosecuters and politicians are scum bags. welcome to reality!
(Score: 3, Interesting) by TheRaven on Tuesday December 27 2016, @07:54AM
sudo mod me up
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday December 27 2016, @08:55AM
We get bang up Senators and maybe even US Presidents out of them!
Harris-Chafee 2020!
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(Score: 1) by Frosty Piss on Tuesday December 27 2016, @06:29AM
DAs don't care about guilt or innocence, just convictions. Any body will do.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 27 2016, @02:21AM
As for exploiting children: Men who rape female children are to keep them and pay the father
Filter error: Please troll elsewhere.
Filter error: You having fun yet?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by bradley13 on Tuesday December 27 2016, @10:02AM
It's only peripheral to this case, but I have now heard of numerous situations where the big credit cards cut some organization off. For better or for worse, they have become fundamental to online commerce. I'm slowly of the opinion that they should be required to process any payments that are not provably illegal. Letting the credit cards pass their own judgements is essentially letting them become a second, independent legal system, but one with no recourse to due process.
Any thoughts on this from the Soylentils?
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 27 2016, @10:18AM
this is why I have a JCB card (available in some US states)... no monthly fee, no late fee, no overlimit fee, and is accepted by some merchants which have been cut off by Visa/MC
(Score: 3, Informative) by takyon on Tuesday December 27 2016, @12:45PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JCB_Co.,_Ltd. [wikipedia.org]
Neat, thanks.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 27 2016, @04:25PM
yes and this extends to paypal, stripe, etc. those socialist whores won't let you use their services if you're selling ammo, much less guns. they should be brought up on charges of sedition.