SoylentNews is people
SoylentNews
from the will-provide-tattoos-for-right-applicant dept.
Seems someone got the whole thing seriously wrong, but evidently there was a casting call for actors for a Cadillac commercial that was looking for "alt-right" or "neo-nazi" types.
Cadillac caused a stir this week when a casting service put out a request on behalf of the American luxury brand looking to fill the role of an "alt-right (neo-Nazi)" in a new commercial. Cadillac denied it had ever authorized the notice and condemned it, while the casting company took responsibility, saying that it had been issued by mistake. Regardless of who did what, the idea had to have been hatched somewhere and by someone, which reveals something far more troubling than a mere streak of poor taste and even poorer judgement in corporate America: the marketability and mainstreaming of an alt-right population, or those "identified variously with anti-globalist and anti-immigrant stances, cartoon frogs, white nationalists, pick-up artists, anti-Semites, and a rising tide of right-wing populism," as Tablet contributor Jacob Siegel wrote in a profile of Paul Gottfried, the alt-right's "godfather."
Hmm, maybe now that the "alt-right" has become just another marketing demographic, we do not have to worry about them taking over the country? I mean, who buys Cadillacs as a status symbol anymore? Not like they are your father's Oldsmobile. Except that, really, it was your father's Olds. So that brand no longer exists. Are we at the point where we can say, "Brietbart: it's not your grandpa's fascism!"? Except, really, maybe it is?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by cubancigar11 on Friday December 30 2016, @09:34AM
This is Americanism at its finest - grouping together under loosely defined definitions and then name-calling and bad-mouthing each other. This is what American politics brings to the table of democracy. And sadly, most of the times by force.
Alt-right is not Nazi, neo- or alt-. Liberals love to call everyone else Nazi, though, all [nytimes.com] the time [theguardian.com]. Nothing new.
The reason for this is that liberals love double-think. They not only think of themselves as "intellectual", they need to indulge in this kind of inaccurate propaganda to nudge "others" in the "right direction", and yet they don't think they are being used in the same way. The other thing communists world over want is to indoctrinate students even though it hasn't worked in long term anywhere.
I think it is time the moderates to wake up and realize the amount of propaganda that is constantly being poured into their ears. You will be surprised how much the rhetoric of Trump matches that of Marx. It is time reading became an important part of education and not your political correctness.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @09:55AM
It is time more people remember that!
Individual states may be more or less democratic, but the country as a whole is NOT A DEMOCRACY under any sane definition of 'democracy'.
The sooner people realize and understand this the sooner we can move forward on:
'Should we be a democracy?'
'Is it time to rethink this union our forefathers signed up for, voluntarily or under duress.'
and 'Is it time for segregation on the county/state/regional boundaries of majority political party?'
One we stop tiptoeing around the REAL issues of America we can get down to the business of what 'the people' actually want.
(Score: 1) by Bethany.Saint on Friday December 30 2016, @11:35AM
Good humor. I especially how you reverse the name calling when Fox News in the Glen Beck era mainstreamed the entire idea of calling liberals Nazis.
Write down the top dozen or so traits of the Nazis. Now write down the top dozen or so traits of Liberals. And finally, the top dozen or so traits for the Alt-Right. Now see which groups have the most in common. Nope, no overlap between the Alt-Right and the Nazis at all! Clearly, Liberals are Double Plus Ungood!
(Score: 4, Interesting) by cubancigar11 on Friday December 30 2016, @12:54PM
If you would have checked those links you wouldn't have made that mistake.
More importantly, the gist of my post was the difference between powerful and powerless, and believe it or not liberals have been in power for very long.
Traits of liberals:
Demand of censorship? Check.
Government enforced discrimination? Check.
Government overruling individual rights? Check.
Getting in cahoots with industry to further political agenda? Check.
Traits of alt-right:
Not republican, not a liberal. Check.
Traits of Nazism:
Getting in cahoots with industry to further political agenda? Check.
There is no philosophy of alt-right because alt-right is a term given to the most powerless conservatives by those who are in power.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Bethany.Saint on Friday December 30 2016, @01:55PM
What is this, the Bizarro world? Everything you stated was the opposite of reality?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 30 2016, @02:26PM
Maybe in whatever alternate dimension you live in. Here, on the real earth, CubanCigar usually has things pegged pretty accurately.
For instance - there is no "alt-right". The so-called "alt-right" are just regular people, pushing back against the demoplicans and the republicrats who have been abusing them for decades. All those in power had a great time poking fun at "tea baggers". At least then, there actually was an organized group. "Alt-right"? There's no such thing. It's a moronic term made up to describe "all those people who haven't been intimidated into toeing the party line".
Instead of "alt-right", how about "independent"???
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 5, Informative) by mcgrew on Friday December 30 2016, @03:25PM
The alt-right are people who think (according to the man who coined the word who is an unabashed racist and white nationalist) that whites are superior to everyone else and demand the right to call people "niggers" and "fags" but object to being called racist or biased.
You say "politically correct", I say "polite and respectful". Not calling black people "niggers" is NOT being "politically correct", and calling them "niggers" is not civilized behavior.
Nor is bragging that you can assault women because you're a rich asshole, like your disgusting billionaire you voted for.
Carbon, The only element in the known universe to ever gain sentience
(Score: 2, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 30 2016, @03:53PM
"like your disgusting billionaire you voted for"
I wasn't aware that Johnson is a billionaire.
https://soylentnews.org/breakingnews/comments.pl?sid=16416&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=424539#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]
You, McGrew, seem to be far to smart to lump me with any group, just because I disagree with American style liberals/progressives/democrats. I've come to expect that out of the denser portions of the left. I even expect it from the more obtuse members of the right. But, you? Come on, man.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Saturday December 31 2016, @06:12PM
That was a plural "you", you've mentioned being a Johnson supporter before. BTW, we've had three President Johnsons so far, and all three did crappy jobs. Fourth time's a charm?
Out of four viable choices, we picked the worst one (again, a collective "we", not you or me).
Carbon, The only element in the known universe to ever gain sentience
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @04:04PM
Inaccurate [tabletmag.com]
While calling conservatives white supremacists?
It could have been worse, fortunately neither Bill Clinton nor Bill Cosby were on the ticket.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @10:05PM
Then we should obey his definition and people should stop using "alt-right" to label people who voted straight ticket Republican like they do every year, people who want to play video games without people screaming how terrible they are, people who want to dress up for Halloween, etc. etc. I can do all that and still not call people the n-word, assault women or demand they stay in the kitchen, or whatever else you're thinking of.
Because none of those things have anything at all to do with white superiority, except insofar as certain snowflakes feel microaggressed if someone, somewhere enjoys something not approved by their superior PC squad.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Bethany.Saint on Friday December 30 2016, @03:44PM
This is where I pity you and bid you all farewell. You, CubanCigar, and the Alt-Right really and truly believe this is true. It is not! You're like the addict who doesn't know that they have a problem. There's nothing more I can say to you except to advise you to get a wider perspective. You need to see outside of your bubble. If you can't even ALLOW YOURSELF TO ADMIT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM then there's no way YOU CAN ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE HELPED.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 30 2016, @03:57PM
ROFLMAO - the addicts are found on the left, as well. The vocal few have been clamoring for years, and getting their way, in regards to race relations. Those vocal few don't LISTEN to the common man and woman on the street. All they can do is squawk and bitch about how evil the common man is. Well - the common man spoke. You may listen, or you may continue to only hear what you choose to hear from your echo chamber.
There is no alt-right, as you visualize it. There is only pushback from the masses who are tired of the ridiculous left agendas.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @06:32PM
It is amusing how you imagine "the masses" to all be wackos like you and cubancigar. The truth is the both of you are in the minority, and your fellow ideologues are all upset that they are on the way out. Your group is typified by close minded horse blinders, and no amount of name calling or truth proclaiming with make reality different. There is a ton of latent racism, and good bit of actual racism, and a huge amount of nationalistic rhetoric.. Trump was the unique candidate that many thought would bring about needed change, don't confuse that sliver of hope for lots of people supporting your crazy. Also, Clinton won the popular vote and the turnout was so low that true Trumpets are less than 20% of the country.
"The left agendas".... For a while I thought you were a bipartisan conservative, but you show your real colors. It really is right vs. left with you, Cuban, and a lot of others. There is no discussion, just right/wrong. You and your ilk are the types who will gladly cut off their own noses to spite their faces... Enjoy your pyrrhic victory while you can, were gonna ramp up 10x more in the next 4 years as a whole new group of young peoe get to vote and throw out the last vestiges if old crotchety paternalistic bigots. Cause yes, that is what your group is. Bigots that come in various shades from "accidental cultural hold overs" to "outright racist shitbags".
The "liberal" and "conservative" policies are often just ideological calls to action which get misused for corrupt policies. You help your masters when you push the divide further with bullshit like "push back from the masses who are tired of the ridiculous left agenda". Maybe try learning more about the world, preferably from sources that don't play to your confirmation bias.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 30 2016, @07:48PM
It's also amusing that you can't read - https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=17216&cid=447455 [soylentnews.org]
As I state in that post - you, on the left, and others on the right, look at me. You know that I'm not in YOUR camp, so you presume that I have to be from the opposing camp. And, meanwhile, as I stated, the masees grow sick of your juvenile games. Left, and right - get it?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 31 2016, @12:27AM
The vocal few have been clamoring for years, and getting their way, in regards to race relations. Those vocal few don't LISTEN to the common man and woman on the street.
Listen, you fucking unreconstructed Confederate, the South lost the fucking war, you are now no longer "common", you are a complete minority! Take your fucking racism and stuff it up your cloaca , you fucking rooster! Trump's election is a call for a second Reconstruction, since evidently the first one didn't take.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by cubancigar11 on Friday December 30 2016, @06:20PM
Now read this very carefully because I am going to tell you something about myself and hopefully it will tell you something about yourself.
I am not white. I am not American. I am not European. I have lived for quite many years in Europe. I have my family ties with people who are married to white European women and most of my college friends are living all over the world. I have lived for around 6 months in USA. I cannot vote in USA elections but such is the power of USA that my government is directly effected by it, my language is effected by it via media and my thinking is effected by it via reading too much crap online. And there is a lot of crap like the one you posted. I am not even christian. And there are many like me. Most of my friends were south American (not Mexican, though) and my best friends were black, both Nigerian who hated each other. I digress.
I have some opinions. I consider myself left to the center. I was raised by a feminist mother and my father is university professor. There are a couple of issues that I don't agree with on-point with liberals, i.e., the communist deconstruction of the world. The first time I mentioned it on Twitter, I was told that I support Broke Turner, was compared to some white dude who killed some people (I never bothered to research it, my country doesn't allow people to have guns so it is of no use to me). I was told I am alt-right.
Now you tell me that alt-right was coined by some dude you hate. And you tell me it is because you are not racist and that guy is. You know what? Both of you are racists and that is the fact. When I left Europe back in 2010 I proclaimed out loudly that Right is coming and it is coming fast and I was proven right (forgive the pun). You know why? Because you are not liberal. Liberalism is just a hammer for you to put down other people so you can feel good about yourself, to make yourself feel superior and maybe powerful after a resounding defeat. You know who is liberal? Every poor man is liberal because he doesn't have time to think about other people. Children are liberal for they don't care much about ego. Liberalism is by nature politically correct - IT IS EASY.
It is YOU who gave importance to whoever coined the term alt-right. It is YOU who gave alt-right a personality. It is my civil-disobedience to accept that personality and then show you what it really looks like. You and very disappointingly mcgrew have shown exactly what I mentioned in the very first line of my comment: grouping together under loosely defined definitions and then name-calling and bad-mouthing each other. I have never been a racist - I challenge anyone to show anything racist I have said. YOU have called me alt-right. Ergo alt-right is not racist. QED. But you don't have the balls to go to some politician and say - "you are wrong, alt-right is not what you say, it is different". YOU are his supporter. It is EASY for you to say otherwise to me.
THIS IS why Trump is there and world is still not going ape-shit insane. Democrats made him, not just by funding but by literally running his campaign for him. And also, you fight incorrectness with correctness, you fight correctness with political correctness. For as long as Trump is president you should remember that you cannot fight incorrectness with political correctness, because Truth doesn't need adjective, much less one named "political".
I have been called nigger by many who agree with me on the points that actually matter to me. I also stand with many who hate being called the n-word but agree with me. The racists are no worse than the many liberals who would throw me under rock for being "almost certainly not a she" (the same people who will say women are biologically no different than men, thereby showing their double-think).
This is what is called projection [wikipedia.org] which happens very frequently with the politically correct. Lecture about getting a wider perspective, from a guy who doesn't even know his own goddamn local politics. Seriously, with the amount of disappointment liberals have with their countrymen, why are they so much for gun control?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 31 2016, @12:39AM
> You know what? Both of you are racists and that is the fact.
Yeah. He who smelt it dealt it!
We all know that's how racism works.
#whitegermicide
(Score: 2) by fubari on Saturday December 31 2016, @08:44AM
Cubancigar11, nicely written, very interesting. You have given me some interesting things to think about - thank you.
(Score: 5, Informative) by mcgrew on Friday December 30 2016, @03:19PM
That's because he hates both people of color and being called "nazi". That, friends, is the "alt-right". He (almost certainly not a she) has always voted either LP or GOP and actually believes that hateful bullshit.
Carbon, The only element in the known universe to ever gain sentience
(Score: 3, Touché) by cubancigar11 on Friday December 30 2016, @05:28PM
Wow. I hate people of color? Let me make some guesses about you. You are white. You are well to do.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @07:01PM
Yup, this is what happens when you engage in stupid generalities. Start calling out your most hated preconceptions about "liberals" and get the same back at yourself...
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Friday December 30 2016, @07:11PM
This is what happens when you don't read to understand, you just skip reading.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @07:38PM
This is what happens when you decide your irrational beliefs are actually self-evident truths.
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday December 30 2016, @10:33PM
I'm going to post high-up because lazy. And others have held down the trolling portion of the discussion pretty damn good. But speaking of generalities, the summary implies that Cadillac is an obsolete brand associated with grannies.
A word search for "Cadillac" revealed nothing outside of the summary, it's not in any comments, so I'll make one. The Cadillac brand is not only associated with stodgy White grandparents, but also younger niggers with too much unearned money on their hands. It's why the Cadillac Escalade is the SUV of choice for the up-and-coming nigger after being cut his first check from Levy Goldstein's rap record label or from the NBA during their rookie season.
But there is another demographic to which Cadillac is trying to pander now -- the young professional Catholic. This is why the Cadillacs in all recent ads are colored black, and fairly recently in Wired magazine I saw an ad which additionally featured four faces -- all implied Catholics as there were no female or tranny faces. The four faces were two respectable White men, one token Black man, and a token nu-male with an obnoxious haircut and thick-rimmed glasses; but all clean-shaven and stoic with no real facial expression in the true Catholic fashion. It's hard to decide if Catholics prefer driving shiny black limos-without-the-limo-part or hearses-without-the-hearse-part.
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Saturday December 31 2016, @06:09PM
You're half right. I'm a retired lower middle class white. I also know a lot of poor people of most races, and I also have a lot of racist white friends. Many of them are very poor, some have been to prison.
Carbon, The only element in the known universe to ever gain sentience
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @03:55PM
What is this, the Bizarro world?
Yes.
Everything you stated was the opposite of reality?
No, it's the opposite of the dictionary. If I may paraphrase W. Churchill, "the fascists of the future will call themselves anti-fascists".
(Score: 4, Informative) by fritsd on Friday December 30 2016, @04:12PM
You wrote:
That's not correct I think. Liberals, in the spirit of Thorbecke [wikipedia.org] (sorry, I don't know his contemporaries and like-minded politicians in 19th century USA),
are for equal rights (even for women in the 20th century) and freedom of speech and religion, so your traits 1 2 and 3 don't apply.
Trait 4 in cahoots with industry is correct I think for the right-wing liberals (economic right, social liberal) such as the VVD in the Nethelands, but less so for the left-wing liberals (economic centre-left, social liberal) such as D'66 in the Netherlands (both represented in ALDE [wikipedia.org] at european level so it's mixed up).
Now if you compare those 4 traits with the famous Umberto Eco shopping list from 1995 [google.com], I think they clearly correspond with his numbers
censorship: 4, 14
discrimination: 5, 12
overruling rights: 13, 7, 10
industry: couldn't really find in Eco's essay
(I gave the Google search link to the Ur-Fascism essay, because I couldn't use the primary source, NY review of books. I've got the essay on my computer so I must have one year downloaded it from somewhere :-) )
You could claim: "the people calling themselves "liberals" in the USA, are not, they're actually kind of fascists", but please don't re-define a word for a 150 year old political movement just because after that Procrustes treatment, it fits your agenda. It confuses.
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Saturday December 31 2016, @06:15PM
Sorry for replying late. I may be wrong in my choice of words. Please forgive me. The liberalism you quote is what I actually call the snatching of victory for individual rights from the oppressive system humanity created to keep those damn carnivorous animals, insects, diseases and other natural forces at bay, so it could procreate in a safe environment. But you have to look at current political climate and the things that get done in the name of liberalism.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @03:46PM
What a brain-dead argument, you could make anyone be literally Hitler with that by selectively plugging values in.
Write down the top dozen or so traits of the Stalinists. Now write down the top dozen or so traits of Conservatives. And finally, the top dozen or so traits for the Liberals.
Write down the top dozen or so traits of Cthulhu. Now write down the top dozen or so traits of bees. And finally, the top dozen or so traits for the humans.
Write down the top dozen or so traits of the suicide bombers. Now write down the top dozen or so traits of nuns. And finally, the top dozen or so traits for the cake makers.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @12:25PM
This is Americanism at its finest - grouping together under loosely defined definitions and then name-calling and bad-mouthing each other.
That sure doesn't stop you from badmouthing "liberals", though.
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Friday December 30 2016, @12:56PM
So what shall I do? Create further groups inside liberals? Progressives may be? Communists? Marxists? Far-left? Radical left? Maoists?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday December 30 2016, @01:06PM
Using the word liberal to refer to a democrat is wrong to begin with. They aren't. Liberals value liberty, democrats most assuredly do not.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Friday December 30 2016, @01:35PM
I purposefully didn't call it democrat because that is a localized American thing while liberalism is a global political machinery. There is indeed a difference between political liberals and actual people who value liberty. I suppose the right word to use is "Left" (for whatever mileage it gives).
(Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday December 30 2016, @01:57PM
It's a highly inaccurate term currently though. There is nothing liberal about liberals. Progressives would be a better term. It just means they want change, without specifying what. The only true liberals in the U.S. lately are libertarians.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Friday December 30 2016, @04:01PM
I'm being redundant, but "liberal" has to do with generosity, not liberty ("a liberal portion"). The libertarians are indeed for liberty, but you can't say someone who doesn't want their taxes to be used for feeding the poor a "liberal". Not wanting to help the poor is past conservative and well into stingy.
Carbon, The only element in the known universe to ever gain sentience
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday December 31 2016, @11:39AM
Lemme splain. No, is too much, lemme sum up.
Libertarians are opposed to theft. Charity is a fine thing but charity is voluntary. Robbing citizens at gunpoint and giving what they have earned to someone else is not charity; it is organized crime wherein the criminals are the ones receiving the money and their lower ranked thugs are the ones collecting it.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Saturday December 31 2016, @06:17PM
That is one thing I disagree with the LP about. Nobody's going to volunteer to pay for roads, schools, enactment and enforcement of laws. You're not being robbed at gunpoint, you're paying the price of the civilization you enjoy living in.
It's not a robbery, it's a moral, ethical, and legal transaction. And you're probably not, but I'm a Christian, and Christ said "pay your taxes" (in a colorful way).
Carbon, The only element in the known universe to ever gain sentience
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 01 2017, @12:45AM
Believe it or not, it IS possible to fund a government without holding death or imprisonment over people's heads.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Sunday January 01 2017, @03:23AM
Pay what you owe, it's that simple.
Carbon, The only element in the known universe to ever gain sentience
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 01 2017, @11:17AM
I don't owe. Neither do you. That's the entire point. When someone comes up unasked and smears your windshield with grease and newsprint at a stoplight, you do not owe them for "cleaning" your windshield. Ditto the government's sad attempts at services.
The government is quite capable of funding itself without perpetrating extortion upon its citizens. That it chooses not to does not obligate those being stolen from to feel the need to assist in the theft.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Wednesday January 04 2017, @10:12PM
Yes, you do. You cast a vote for someone to represent you, and if you don't like their laws, you vote against them. This isn't North Korea; if it were, I'd agree with you.
Carbon, The only element in the known universe to ever gain sentience
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday January 04 2017, @11:26PM
Your fellow citizens voting to steal what is yours at threat of death or imprisonment is no more legitimate than stealing it themselves; it's simply organized crime instead of disorganized. That you refuse to see this tells me you're one of the thieves.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Friday December 30 2016, @03:57PM
I used to think "liberal" meant "liberty" long ago, too, but I realized that the other side of the coin is "conservative". A liberal is someone who is generous, a conservative is someone who is stingy.
At least, that's what the dictionary says.
Carbon, The only element in the known universe to ever gain sentience
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @06:03PM
You're using the wrong dictionary.
Those are specific terms in the field of political science.
Liberal is opposed to authoritarian, not conservative. Conservative is opposed to radical.
Progressive, for what it's worth, is opposed to reactionary.
It's quite possible to be a conservative liberal.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @07:06PM
Maybe call out the political figure heads using ideological agendas to push through their own crony policies. Is that too big of a task, or do you require further emotional satisfaction by attacking the bogeyman? Maybe realize they exist on both sides of the isle?
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Friday December 30 2016, @07:20PM
I am very sure they exist on both sides. But when both sides are not on my side, I would rather be with the one who is losing until my support becomes crucial.
This is exactly what Marx said. And not just the bogeyman Marx of ****** and republicans, but this is literally exactly what he wrote.
(Score: 2) by fritsd on Friday December 30 2016, @09:10PM
Have you heard of the "political compass" [politicalcompass.org]? It helps. Liberals can be economic left or economic right (most are economic right neo-liberalists).
Left and Right are about economic structure, from communism to socialism to capitalism/neoliberalism
Authoritarian and Liberal are about social structure, from authoritarian/conservative to libertarian/progressive.
on the left menu on the website under "region specific" you can find what the (anonymous?) authors of politicalcompass.org think about the USA 2016 candidates [politicalcompass.org].
Before you say "that compass is also bullshit": they know already, it's in the FAQ:
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday December 30 2016, @09:16PM
That's way too complicated for these auto-fellating morons. Hell, just the idea of there being a one-dimensional spectrum, rather than two points on either end, strains what passes for their brains.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @10:22PM
So what shall I do? Create further groups inside liberals?
By all means! Knock yourself out! I prefer "doo-doo head". Works for kids! Or alternatively, you could just say, " I hate you Daddy, I hate you!!
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Thexalon on Friday December 30 2016, @06:11PM
So what exactly is it? What are the core ideas of the alt-right ideology? What makes alt-right ideology different from just plain right-wing ideology? What moral principles are you starting from?
If we're going to no-true-Scotsman the criticism away, at the very least we need to know what would qualify as a "true Scotsman".
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Friday December 30 2016, @06:47PM
Individualism. And that rights of individual have been fought by too much blood to shed it at the alter of better things.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @07:45PM
> Individualism.
Gee, that's not what they've got to say for themselves. In fact, that's pretty much the exact opposite of how they define themselves because, as the mighty buttload is fond of telling everyone, racism is the opposite of individualism.
If you only know of the alt right from The_Donald, then do not know what the alt right is. You probably think it means something along the lines of cultural libertarianism or just being "more conservative". It doesn't. It doesn't mean anti-establishment right leaning politics either. We do not agree with Conservatives ideologically and we are not people who are just trying to do conservativism "better".
The Alt Right is a racial movement and has always been a racial movement. Race is at the very core of the alt right and there is absolutely no way to be alt right without discussing racial realism, especially from a white perspective. The mainstream media was not lying to you when they said we are full of white nationalists, racial realists, and fascists. That is what we are and we really do not give a shit about tax cuts or other policy issues.
https://www.reddit.com/r/altright/comments/4zr372/to_the_new_subscribers_coming_from_rthe_donald/ [reddit.com]
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Friday December 30 2016, @07:46PM
Assuming you consider yourself a member of the "alt-right", that can't be correct: You've announced that definition using the collectivist computer network, powered by the collectivist electrical power grid, and some sort of computing device probably produced by some kind of collective effort like a major corporation and their suppliers, that you almost definitely got by trading some kind of socially-defined currency for, probably using a connection you also traded some kind of socially-defined currency for. You probably also acquired that socially-defined currency by working at some kind of job for a collective organization. So, as I see it, you have indeed decided to make all kinds of sacrifices to individual liberty at the altar of better things.
So, since your own behavior established that that wasn't what "alt-right" really means, what does "alt-right" really mean?
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @07:54PM
For people like cubancigar, "individualism" in practice is really just a synonym for "my tribal identity" - much like Henry Ford's old slogan that you can have your car painted in any color you want as long as its black.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @10:33PM
rights of individual have been fought by too much blood to shed it at the alter of better things.
These are not the fascists you are looking for! Alt-right is not individualist, it is right communitarian. It wants to use the power of the state to control those it deems (((cubancigars)))!! So you should be afraid, very afraid.
So, alt-right grammar says that rights have not been fought by blood, unless you are saying "Blut und Ehre", and that blood trumps (heh) individual rights, equality, and the rule of law. And, "alter" means change, to change to better things is progressivism. You meant "altar"? You went to college, eh? And totally avoided learning how to spell? Nazi.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by bradley13 on Friday December 30 2016, @09:52AM
What I find amusing is the way that the MSM so desperately and blatantly tries to label the alt-right as "neo-Nazi". They think they are defending liberal values, but in fact, they are just defending the existing political establshment. The Republicans and the Democrats in the US are nearly indistiguishable: both love big government, both enjoy throwing American troops into every possible conflict around the world, and both are really all about preserving the power of the 1%. They all go to the same schools, belong to the same clubs, golf on the same courses - any signs of disunity are mainly for the entertainment of the proles.
Are there neo-Nazis? Sure there are. Are there active members of the KKK? Sure there are. The existence of these groups has zilch to do with the alt-right, except that they all happen to be against the existing political establishment. As such, the establishment happily encourages painting all of these groups with the same brush.
The Alt-Right is a collection of right-wing individuals and groups who reject the globalist and "invade the world, invite the world" ideologies of mainstream conservative and center-right parties in the Western world. [infogalactic.com]
Rejecting globalism means encouraging nationalism. While there is no single coherent movement, I think the largest subgroup is the "alt-west": A group that believe that groups and countries descending from European (Western) civilization (going back to the Roman and Greek roots) need to take pride in their heritage, and need to work towards its preservation. They perceive things like the recent influx of millions of immigrants from the Middle East and Africa to be a danger, because these immigrants bring with them cultures that are fundamentally incompatible with Western civilization.
Why this reply? Remember the Tea Party (on the right)? Remember Occupy Wall Street (on the left)? Two nascent political movements that were co-opted and destroyed - in different ways, but with equal success - until they no longer posed any sort of threat to the existing political elite. The weapon of choice this time is to paint the Alt-Right with the neo-Nazi brush. It would be a shame to allow that to succeed.
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Whoever on Friday December 30 2016, @10:39AM
The alt-right are not neo-Nazis.
No, the alt-right are White Supremacists.
The whole purpose of the invention of the term 'alt-right' is to disguise their real motives.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @11:47AM
Nope, 1488'ers are white supremacists. The NRx movement are rationalists and Moldbug was Jewish.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @07:07PM
> No, the alt-right are White Supremacists.
With lots of nationalism and socialism (for the 'deserving' aka whites) thrown in to the mix.
But if neo-nazi is too narrow, then lets just stick to alt-white.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @12:26PM
The point of painting them with the neo-nazi brush is to make it attractive to actual neo-nazis who will then flock to it so that the label becomes accurate, as was the case with pegida in Germany.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday December 30 2016, @01:13PM
Seriously? You know there are so few actual racists in the nation that K3 membership is under 25K nationwide, right?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Friday December 30 2016, @01:38PM
I agree that the Establishment Media is in a pickle and trying very hard to smear the forces it lost the election to. They've lost their credibility, erased any reputation they had left, and know they're not going to get it back any time soon, so they're taking the only route open to them and trying to drive the general esteem for everyone else even lower. Of course it will backfire, because the harder they try, the worse they look.
That said, white supremacists were not the bulk of Trump's support, but they were in the mix. Let's not pretend they weren't. The ones who are unabashedly white supremacists, who wear their membership in the Klan or the Nazi party proudly, do number as few as you claim. But the people who share their views and only shy away from wearing the label openly form a larger group. To assert that both sets are not racists is incorrect.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday December 30 2016, @01:52PM
The thing is, they simply do not exist in significant numbers, so who cares what they think or support?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday December 30 2016, @06:28PM
Because it only takes a few in the wrong places, and you know very well this is the case. Stop being disingenuous. I wouldn't give a fuck what Steve Bannon believed *if he weren't in a position of power.*
I don't know what's more insulting: that you think we won't pick up on this kind of evasive, self-serving bullshit, or that you don't seem to care.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday December 31 2016, @12:00PM
I know it's in the playbook to change the subject then act like it always was the new subject but we expect better than that around here. If you'd care to weigh in on what is actually being discussed here or start a separate thread for your new complaint, I'm game. Otherwise you're Offtopic.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 01 2017, @04:14AM
That is precisely what was being discussed here, you pusillanimous piece of shit. It only takes a few neo-nazis (no, I will not call you festering bowel polyps "alt-right") in the wrong place to undo decades of civil rights legislation. Fuck your attempted censorship, and may you fry in hell for the part you had in bringing this about, then get reincarnated poor, black, and female in what remains of Atlanta.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 01 2017, @11:08AM
It wasn't and you're wrong on every single assumption above. Your kind are rapidly ceasing to matter though, so I'll be magnanimous and go ahead let you have the last word in your inevitable venom-filled reply.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday January 02 2017, @02:52AM
Yuk it up while you can, dipshit...you and your buddies have just voted for the end of the US as a nation. If you're getting venom, it's because you deserve it, and being angry doesn't make someone wrong.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by BK on Friday December 30 2016, @03:14PM
That said, racists of all stripes do/did not make up the bulk of the support for either major candidate, but they were in the mix. For both. If we are going to tar candidates (or their 'parties' with the worst traits of their most despicable supporters, let's at least pretend to be fair and honest about it.
...but you HAVE heard of me.
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Friday December 30 2016, @04:14PM
Ignore history much?
...both enjoy throwing American troops into every possible conflict around the world...
No Democrat since Kennedy has started a shooting war. No Republican since Ford has failed to. Like war? Vote Republican, at least for commander in chief. As to big government, also have a little peek at history. Republicans talk small government and balanced budgets, but at least since Reagan, no Republican ever left office with a smaller budget deficit that he started with. Democrats suck at this, too, just not as badly.
And why did you link to a completely unknown wikipedia wannabe instead of the real thing? [wikipedia.org] Your site, perhaps? Your composition, perhaps?
You do your cause no favors.
Carbon, The only element in the known universe to ever gain sentience
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @06:16PM
Sure, we can draw tasteful veils over the shenanigans under Carter and Clinton, (Hi there, Iran and Bosnia! And Rwanda!) because it turns out that the democratic vision of pacifism is a very ... what's the word? Nuanced? Triangulated? Contingent? Well, it's complicated...
But democrats have a long, happy history of continuing wars. I know I'm saying this to the ceiling, but I'm looking at you, Obama.
The budget is however a red herring with respect to presidents. They can suggest budgets - but Congress writes them. It was because of that sort of thing resulting in long-term problems, that Reagan played games with funding, and ultimately we ended up with the budget deal, and sequestration, and a couple of shutdowns in the new century.
Congress does budgets, not presidents.
So what I'm getting from this is:
If you don't like deficits, throw the bums out.
If you don't like war, find someone other than the D and R groups for your presidents.
(Score: 2) by fritsd on Friday December 30 2016, @04:37PM
Honestly, I haven't yet formed a fixed picture in my mind of what "alt-right" encompasses. I only know the following:
- Steve Bannon from Breitbart, who is going to be in Trump's government, apparently said something like "Breitbart is a platform for the alt-right", so that may become a nucleus for all molecules of "alt-right" to coagulate around, and shape the definition.
- I once visited Breitbart website for fun (!???! wrong decision) and got actual stomach pain from reading the comments on just one story.
- I once read an article somewhere about a cartoon frog Pepe who was co-opted for cartoons of grinning Nazis, which made the original author of said frog sad.
Um, that's about it. The concept is still nebulous :-) I am (morbidly) curious, but I have to watch out what I surf to, otherwise my depression gets worse.
So far, if you say that "alt-right" and neo-nazism don't overlap to a great degree, I'll take your word for it.
Would you say "alt-right" is "fascist", though? That's a much broader term.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @05:15PM
Seemingly any opposition to the gutting of nation states by oligarchs under the banner of "globalism" is enough for an individual to be labelled "alt-right" and by extension "a nazi". It doesn't matter if you are a traditional conservative, libertarian or even a left-leaning classical liberal.
How amusing that governments arming Saudi Arabia (see: The Yemen), supplying arms to terrorists in Syria, importing that terrorism into their own countries via migration and then trying to step-up security to deal with the problem they created are associating their opponents with authoritarians. Good thing those same governments didn't support an actual neo-nazi coup in the Ukraine... Oh no, it's the Russians wot done it all... must be true because (former Nazi collaborator) George Soros says so.
If you really want to read up on the bogeyman:
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @10:19PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 31 2016, @01:41AM
George Soros once posed as a gentile in order to confiscate wealth from the Jews in the same way he now poses as a liberal in order to confiscate wealth from entire nations. FFS indeed! [rt.com]
Soros is on record as saying the time he spent with the Nazis was the best time of his life. He supports BLM in order to create racial division that he can profit from. He supports Neo-Nazis in the Ukraine in order to float his stakes in Ukrainian energy companies on the open market. He supports open borders whilst living behind the tallest wall in Bedford NY. Why in the fuck do you people keep defending this indefensible twat?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @05:35PM
No, it does not. Both globalism and nationalism are forms of collectivism; what about individualism instead?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday December 30 2016, @05:53PM
I don't think even one in ten people, of either sex, has the strength of character for that unfortunately. I want to see it too but if you study people for any length of time you very quickly come to the conclusion that most of them are simply incapable of critical thought and self-examination.
It's kind of like something an atheist friend of mine said once: "I'm not entirely anti religion because so many people are moral retards. Just imagine what they'd do without that carrot and that stick." I hate this argument to hell and back, as I hate all "little people" arguments, but it seems to be true :(
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @08:33PM
Your friend is in good company.
George Washington, frequently cited by religionists as a man of faith, had this to say about religion:
Let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.
And to the more general issue of people being naturally collectivist animals - that's not a weakness, its our greatest strength. The ability to organize in groups and work collectively to accomplish goals that are far beyond the grasp of any individual is why we run the planet and not apes, tigers, sharks or any other animals far more physically fearsome than us. Its got its downsides too, but anyone preaching pure individualism is preaching a state of nature where few people would even have fire to warm themselves at night.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @11:12PM
Um... Individualism doesn't preclude the division of labor; it simply means that the division must emerge through the voluntary interaction of individuals, rather than be imposed by some external power.
A robust free market is still individualism.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 31 2016, @12:54AM
> A robust free market is still individualism.
That level of "free" doesn't exist, at least not for the vast majority of the population.
All markets for individuals are coercive. You need food, shelter, clothing, etc. Therefore you must participate in the market. The only people for whom such free markets actually exist are those who are free to completely walk away from the market at any time and for as long as they wish.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 31 2016, @05:35PM
You're angry at the nature of this Universe, pal. You'll never be satisfied.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @10:06AM
Someone knew this will elicit this reaction, hence it was done.
Butthurt makes the world go round.
(Score: 2) by dyingtolive on Friday December 30 2016, @12:53PM
I mean, he's a pretty cool guy. I don't think I'd claim he makes the world go round though.
Don't blame me, I voted for moose wang!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @09:19PM
She must be a fat-bottomed girl, then.
Dixit Farrokh Bulsara.
(Score: 2, Informative) by garrulus on Friday December 30 2016, @10:16AM
The Merchants are not our friends, Hail Victory
(Score: 0, Troll) by garrulus on Friday December 30 2016, @10:20AM
Also keep in mind the response in Dicky Spencers hometown is to a jewess ((( realtor ))) that wanted to pressure Spencers mother out of a property, threathening to devalue her property with leftist action groups.
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Friday December 30 2016, @10:18PM
Real estate agents put letters in our box all the time "do you want to sell", "we have a keen buyer"..how is that "forcing"?
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @11:17AM
This shows the world wants to return to sanity. At least the beginnings are here. The insanity promoted by the enemies of human-kind is starting to fall.
I don't know where to begin. The above statement is so wrong and evil and is only there to brainwash people into thinking in terms of "as bad as person x" without making any case of why person x is bad or why the author thinks that way. It works by suggestion. Whoever "hatched" the above story needs to be hung from a tree. Soon.
I find it far more troubling that globalists, immigrant-lovers, Khazars etc are being called "people". They all need to go away and drop dead. Filthy scum.
If blacks in Africa wanted a black-only state and refused to mix with other races, would that be racism?
If chinese in China wanted a chinese-only state and refused to mix with other races, would that be racism?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Bethany.Saint on Friday December 30 2016, @11:55AM
"If blacks in Africa, If Chinese in China ..."
Yes, of course it would be racism. It is racism.
But here's the thing. You imply that Americans in America want a white only state. Fact is, most Americans do not want a white only state. The majority of Americans appreciate the diversity we get from other races. We realize it makes for a stronger country. Only a small but very loud and violent group want an all white America.
Two steps forward then one step back. We've just started our step back. I have faith we can fix America after the Alt-Right drags towards third-world status.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by bradley13 on Friday December 30 2016, @12:13PM
I don't think most alt-righters are calling for a white-only state. I think there are two separate dynamics going on, which can be easily confused:
- Support for a single culture (as opposed to multiculturalism). The strength of the US was that it once functioned as a "melting pot" where people surrendered their original culture and became Americans. A nation of immigrants. Today, people are encouraged to retain their original culture. Many in the alt-right see this as a problem.
- Second, many whites in the US seem to feel that they are disadvantaged in a country where they are the nominal majority. They are accused of racism, told to "check their privilege", etc. - almost as if they are supposed to be ashamed of being white. Why is "black pride" laudable, but "white pride" is racist?
Of course, there are genuine racists and white supremacists who use the alt-right for cover. However, they appear to be a minority. Most alt-righters are typical of the many people who supported Trump [umich.edu]. The real problem is the fact that the liberals and progressives cannot get their heads around why anyone would feel this way - a complete breakdown of communications, between two very different groups of people sharing the same country.
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Bethany.Saint on Friday December 30 2016, @01:26PM
Good points. Some spot on. So I'll only respond to a few.
>>Today, people are encouraged to retain their original culture.
This is true. Taken to extreme, I see this a being a problem as well. I support efforts to "melt" immigrants. I believe many in the middle left do too.
>>Second, many whites in the US seem to feel that they are disadvantaged in a country where they are the nominal majority.
They do, but they are not disadvantaged because of advances by minorities. This narrative of minorities has been a mainstay of Republicans for years now. Unfortunately it's become ingrained as fact in the Alt-Right.
>>They are accused of racism, told to "check their privilege", etc. - almost as if they are supposed to be ashamed of being white.
They are not. This is in their own minds and not in reality. This, in particular, seems to be a blind spot among the Alt-Right.
>>Why is "black pride" laudable, but "white pride" is racist?
It is not. But we don't see many examples of "white pride." What we see is attacking blacks (and most minorities) as the cause of current conditions rather than pride for white achievements in and of themselves. (For example, waving the "Confederate flag" is not white pride. It's out and out racism.)
(Score: 2, Troll) by khallow on Friday December 30 2016, @02:18PM
>>They are accused of racism, told to "check their privilege", etc. - almost as if they are supposed to be ashamed of being white.
They are not. This is in their own minds and not in reality. This, in particular, seems to be a blind spot among the Alt-Right.
And a whole bunch of universities to name a prominent example you missed.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @02:28PM
it's easy to avoid problems by redefining them as something else which is fine
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Friday December 30 2016, @02:08PM
That's not what "melting pot" means. It means they become part of the mix, not that they disappear into the original solution and the original solution remains unchanged. But fine, let's run with your definition for a moment to see what that country you yearn for would look like.
Starting immediately, eat not a single taco, pizza, or bowl of spaghetti more. Hot dogs and hamburgers are also right out. No chow mein, no burritos. No Irish pubs, no bagels. No foreign cars, because those might sneakily insinuate foreign driving concepts into a pure America. No computers, because computers are not made in America any more and are clearly a vector for attack by the People's Republic of China. Just keep carving away all the "foreign" bits until you may eat unflavored oatmeal mush for breakfast and dress like a Quaker of yore. Disallow any outside influences whatsoever, hermetically seal the culture in a glass jar, and set it on the shelf of your altar of purity.
The America you know is the result of multi-culturalism, and nothing but that. And if you know your history, you'd know that it has never been "pure" at any time. When the first Europeans arrived on these shores there were already hundreds if not thousands of distinct languages and cultures at play on the continent. Among the Europeans there were the Spanish, Dutch, French, and English. Even if you said no, no, nobody counts but the English you'd still not have any kind of purity because there were Scots, Welshmen, Irish, Quakers, Puritans, Anglicans, Catholics, and many other distinct groups among them. That you eat corn and potatoes and possibly smoke tobacco is directly because there was cultural mixing with the Indians. You use foreign words from that mix all the time, like "raccoon" or "Chicago" without thinking about it.
So it's an impossible goal, what you're striving for. America has never been what you imagine, nor will it ever be. It's also quite likely you would not even want to live in the country that twinkles in your dreams.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @10:15PM
So what you're saying is that I need to stop appropriating other cultures?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @09:09PM
> Most alt-righters are typical of the many people who supported Trump [umich.edu]
Oh look! Brad is lying by omission to make his position seem like its some sort of super-majority.
Here's that same graph [umich.edu] scaled by population and then colored by the percentage of the vote. Not really overwhelmingly red anymore is it?
If there is one thing you can count on, its that brad has absolutely no problem using intellectual dishonesty to support his arguments. Its comforting in a way, because once you recognize the pattern you realize its a confession that not only is he wrong, but he knows he's wrong but instead of changing his mind to fit the facts, he'd prefer to lie instead. Which means nothing he says should be trusted.
For the curious, here is the full article. [umich.edu]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @12:13PM
True, they also don't want to live in a warzone [heyjackass.com]. The metropolitan areas with the highest percentage black community and highest crime rates have something else in common don't they?
Which party do voters in high crime metropolitan areas vote for? Third world you say?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Bethany.Saint on Friday December 30 2016, @12:55PM
>> The metropolitan areas with the highest percentage black community and highest crime rates have something else in common don't they?
Not sure what you're trying to say here? Is that that we've trapped the black community in a cycle of poverty and despair in increasingly dense areas leaving violence as a means of gangs trying to exert some control over their lives as they enter adulthood. Or are you saying blacks are inherently violent because {something}?
Couldn't be the conditions cause the violence and not the other way around, could it?
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @01:12PM
Blacks are unable to control their violence. Just like jews cannot control destroying the world and murdering its people/animals/plants.
Blacks are certainly better than jews. Blacks were hurt quite bad by the slave trade run by jews. They should get their revenge. A while ago, israel got angry at BLM when they compared their suffering to those of Palestinians.
Conditions don't last forever. People get chances to fix themselves and their communities. When a community refuses to do that (over centuries), it tells you something.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Bethany.Saint on Friday December 30 2016, @01:43PM
>>Blacks are unable to control their violence.
Is this genetics ... built into the chromosomes? Could be fix blacks by modifying their genetics? Using new CRISPR techniques could we take some of the calming white bits and target the bad violent black genomes?
Maybe we can target the "money" genes in the Jews too? Or maybe we extract the Jews money genetics and put them in Whites? That way we can fix the white poverty problems too? (Did I go too far with this one?)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @01:58PM
Easy with the absurdity, you will be labelled "racist" by those who are genuinely absurd.
Testosterone.
It's not a "money" gene. [haaretz.com]
Problem behaviours need discussing if they are to be addressed. Easier for some to stick their fingers in their ears or drown out the discussion by crying "racist".
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday December 30 2016, @05:57PM
Leeeeet me guess, testosterone is inversely proportional to intelligence? You also think penis size is inversely correlated with IQ, riiiiiight?
I love this. By this logic East Asians should be worshiped, as they tend to have a higher IQ than every single ethnic group on the planet except--you're gonna love this one!-ASHKENAZI JEWS! I'll wait here behind this handy-dandy blast shield while you process that one, prepared for the inevitable brain explosion :D
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 31 2016, @02:35AM
Errr... No! FWIW I have both a big dick and a high IQ. Bite me!
Ohh, you got me!!! Except for that fact that genetic predisposition towards mental illness has nothing to do with penis size or religion. I'd suggest you stay behind the blast shield and prepare for the truth hitting you like the stale fart it is. Anybody with a basic education knew the truth long ago,
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday December 31 2016, @05:56AM
Well, my "dick" is blue and lives in the sock drawer and may or may not eat dust bunnies, for what that's worth =P Sure as hell chews through batteries though. And my IQ's about 145 if that chart correlating SAT/ACT/GRE scores to IQ means anything.
But what's your point? Where does "mental illness" enter a discussion of which ethnicities typically test high for IQ, which is the point under discussion here. You went completely off the rails here. And hey, as people constantly remind me, "Jew" is as much an ethnicity as a religion, riiiiii~ght? Oh, excuse me, i forgot your kind use the term "Khazar" for the Ashkenazim (as opposed to the Sephardim, who would probably make you shit your size 3XL adult diaper if one of them sat next to you on a plane).
You are a special kind of stupid.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Friday December 30 2016, @08:48PM
Please don't feed the trolls! It only makes them worse.
Carbon, The only element in the known universe to ever gain sentience
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday December 30 2016, @01:23PM
The something else they have in common is that they vote democrat. Do note how much it has done for them since this trend started. Life in blue cities has become nothing but poorer and more violent. Not one is better to be poor or black in than it was 50 years ago.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Bethany.Saint on Friday December 30 2016, @01:51PM
They vote democrat because it offers the best hope for their future. Even if that future doesn't materialize. They know that the Republican solution is to take away benefits and by force of extreme poverty they somehow magically get off their lazy but violent butts and make something of themselves. When has making poor people even poorer ever worked to make them richer?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @02:10PM
We have a winner! Victim cards are not accepted as currency anywhere except in leftist politics and the only reward for voting democrat is issuance of yet more victim cards. Thus, the cycle of poverty is enshrined.
(Score: 1) by Bethany.Saint on Friday December 30 2016, @02:19PM
It's not a victim card, it's a reality card. Are you seriously saying they should be racing towards a worse life rather than attempting to avoid it? Is Republican thinking something like a weird black hole where if you dive head first into poverty you somehow magically fall through poverty and come out in a land of milk an honey?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @02:29PM
I'm with Admiral Ackbar on this one.
I'm not a republican. An individual forced to go out and hustle a legal wage for themselves will easily be able to afford milk and honey, should that be what they desire.
(Score: 1) by Bethany.Saint on Friday December 30 2016, @03:36PM
>> An individual forced to go out and hustle a legal wage for themselves will easily be able to afford milk and honey
That's the entire point. There are no jobs for most of these people. They can't hustle what there is none of. Do you really think people would choose to, for example, rob a store, rather than work a normal job? Do you really believe there are entire cities of people who choose to do nothing rather than work? Taking away the safety net will not magically "force" them to get jobs. It will just make their situation worse. Look back at history before welfare and see how many people were unemployed and the horrible conditions (much worse than today) in which the unemployed were living.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @04:24PM
This defeatist attitude is the problem. Are you seriously saying people have devolved to some primitive level that precludes the use of hand tools? Are they so ill served by the education system that they are unable to read and write? Do they not have access to a public library?
There are no jobs or wealth creation possibilities for anyone other than the opportunities they create for themselves.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday December 30 2016, @02:15PM
That's what they're told, yes. That's not, however, what republicans want. If you want the middle class to come back, you help out SMB creation and growth. Race is really immaterial if you create conditions that ease the path out of poverty instead of subsidizing it.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Whoever on Friday December 30 2016, @04:10PM
That's a nice illustration of why people vote Republican. Their personal beliefs simply don't agree with what actual Republican politicians will implement and they are in denial about this.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday December 31 2016, @11:30AM
No denial happening, simply the electorate with no better choice. Works the same with democrats too.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @02:11PM
And flyover country states vote republican even though the party acts against their best interests. One big difference is that the senators in those blue states support government social programs and subsidies at least call them that. In the red states they have to use code words for subsidies and handouts so that they can pretend they are really some sort of magical small government incentive program or something. The populace states, particularly the coastal states, have subsidized and propped up the "breadbasket" for ever. If the democrats really wanted to turn those states blue, they'd give them exactly what they say they want and stop sending them more money then they send to Washington.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday December 30 2016, @02:27PM
You created the money transfer conditions, you don't get to bitch about them as well. Give us red states a chance to get out of poverty and we'll take it; destroy all paths to wealth and subsidize poverty and it'll only get worse.
What you fundamentally do not get is when you throw money at something, you get more of it. This is the reason for basically every problem this nation has. Put money where you want something to be, not where it is.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Whoever on Friday December 30 2016, @04:12PM
Wow, how about you take some responsibility for your own actions?
So your argument is that Red States are poor because "Democrats"? Did it ever occur to you that the Red States are poor because of the policies implemented by the politicians you voted for?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @10:53PM
Did it ever occur to you that the Red States are poor because of the policies implemented by the politicians you voted for?
"Kansas uber alles!!" All hail Brownback!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday December 31 2016, @11:41AM
I think you need to reread. Kansas is poor because Kansas has no industry to speak of. You, however, are the ones who decided to subsidize their poverty. Stop bitching.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Whoever on Saturday December 31 2016, @12:04PM
"Stop bitching"? You are the one bitching about how somehow the politicians that you elected are not responsible for the poor economy in your state.
GROW UP! Take some responsibility for your actions.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday December 31 2016, @12:19PM
Was I? I'm pretty sure I wasn't. There's no sense in complaining that water is wet or that politicians are full of shit. Perhaps you should go back and have another read.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Whoever on Saturday December 31 2016, @03:36PM
I did go back and re-read and, yes, you are trying to place blame on politicians other than the ones you put into power. As, I said, grow the fuck up and take responsibility for your own voting record.
Quite simply, the reason Red States tend to be poor is the policies enacted by their own leaders. Policies that keep people uneducated and poor, while a few people become very rich.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday January 01 2017, @12:46AM
Right, so if I already said just what you said, I'm bitching but you're being informative? SMFH
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @01:36PM
The former.
We already know the answer to this. Anti-social behaviour develops as a character trait. In it's most popular and somewhat crass form; "you can take the person out of the ghetto but you cannot take the ghetto out of the person". We don't need to rehash what has already been said hundreds of times. [soapboxie.com]
The biggest start you can give your children in life is self-esteem. You do this by supporting them financially, emotionally and psychologically. Generations trapped in a cycle of state dependence has denied some even the most basic level of human dignity. Gangs are tribes; the aspiration and behaviour prevalent within democrat voting, poorer inner city communities is an exact match for the 3rd world.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @12:53PM
Racism is the answer to being attacked day and night and told to mix.
The human mind cannot easily deal with the attacks and starts hating those unlike him, choosing to work with only his race... in other words discriminating (I wonder (((who))) invented that particular usage of that word) against other races (OMG!!!111! how wrong!). So the globalists call them racists, and that is a loaded term. Hating your kind and by extension yourself is not a good idea.
Love yourself, love your country, love your people, don't make a habit of mixing, and as a result, hating others. Nationalism = Love.
Yes, of course it would be racism. It is racism.
Would You Date a Trans? [youtube.com]
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Friday December 30 2016, @06:04PM
Oh hey, a fishing lure! *noms*
I'm not somewhere I can watch a video right now, but I'm assuming that question is directed at guys as concerns trans women. If that's the case, I'm happy to report that the answer is mostly “yes.” Not always, but enough of the time. And plus, if you're just having fun without any intention of heading into the bedroom, then the guy doesn't even have to know IT'S A TRAP, does he?
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Friday December 30 2016, @11:45PM
Ah, watched a bit of the video, but the format was annoying.
Deleting a rant about infiltrator sheaths and woman suits, here's what I'm wondering, though, if the conversation isn't too stale. Ok, so I can be on board with nationalism. I can even somewhat jive with this idea that the Chinese should stay in China and the Nigerians should stay in Nigeria and the Mexicans should stay in Mexico, etc, but not completely. Ok, I think I know what that rhetoric is yearning for, and it's something else than the words themselves would indicate, but that's not much part of what I'm wondering. Maybe it is, though?
Let me know if I'm following your train of thought or completely failing to engage what you're saying.
Let me put forth the idea, and I'm hoping this is what we're both thinking, that this is a certain culture that is American Culture. In American Culture, we celebrate Christmas (winter ritual), Easter (spring ritual), Independence Day (summer ritual), and Thanksgiving (fall ritual), in addition to other seasonal rituals such as Veteran's Day, Labor Day, and Memorial Day. We also value the free market, invention, innovation, and individualism. We believe that our forefathers have blessed us with liberty, and we believe it is our sacred duty to keep that liberty. Am I still on the same wavelength?
Now, keep in mind I don't know the presenter of that video from Eve. Is dating a trans woman like dating a Chinese or Nigerian or Mexican woman? Are you saying that somebody who is a trans woman cannot be of this American Culture?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @05:42PM
But here's the thing. You imply that Americans in America want a white only state. Fact is, most Americans do not want a white only state. The majority of Americans appreciate the diversity we get from other races. We realize it makes for a stronger country.
Bullshit, the majority of Americans don't give a rat's ass about racial politics. Half of them probably couldn't tell you more than 5 of the election promises of their candidate of choice in the recent election.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @11:59AM
Trollolol. Your Nazi disguise is unconvincing and this is not the first time this year I've read the words of a liberal calling for people to die. What is wrong with you?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @12:56PM
Ok, maybe not calling for people to die. But still a wall needs to be put between different peoples. Dogs and cats and chickens usually do not live together.
And its true that liberals call for death to all Nationalists.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday December 30 2016, @02:13PM
Your words and assertions are laughable and tedious. America is not a country of walls or shtetls. You would more profitably spend your time spreading this nonsense on Stormfront.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Friday December 30 2016, @07:16PM
Hahahaha! That's a good one. Been to a farm lately? You have to be engaging in satire at this point!
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Friday December 30 2016, @01:50PM
And here, folks, we have an actual nazi. This is what they look like and how they talk. There are boxes you can check. In his brief post he checked several. First, he called for lynching those calling out Cadillac for casting neo-nazis, presumably because it's perfectly normal and acceptable to cast neo-nazis in commercials. Second, he dehumanized everyone he disagrees with and wished them all dead. Third, he favors mono-ethnic states.
That's why it's ill-advised, even dangerous, to throw around charges of fascism and nazism loosely, because they lose all their power to describe in situations like this when they are apt, and needed.
It's not only ACs that talk like this. There are registered users who have openly called for forced labor and extermination of immigrants. (Those are two more boxes to check in classifying an actual nazi.) Those are not the intentions of free thinkers, enlightened men, or moral beings. They are the darkest of evil that always stalks us and invades the hearts of the unwary.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Serial_Priest on Friday December 30 2016, @02:52PM
Keep thinking that those who disagree with you are "the darkest of evil" or "insane" and 2020 will be an even easier win for us than 2016 was. Why hate those who dissent from your orthodoxies? Be a decent person for once in your life.
(Score: 3, Touché) by linuxrocks123 on Friday December 30 2016, @07:27PM
You didn't win easily: you got lucky. Even with your luck, you only won because the votes of the people who voted for you counted more due to some anachronistic features of the system.
Think on that: you rolled a 20, and you could still only just barely win because the system was rigged in your favor. Same thing happened in 2000. The last time your party won a presidential election for real with a non-incumbent candidate was 1988.
Your support is literally dying off, and long-term demographics are against you big time. You're circling the drain; you're just at the far part of your orbit around it right now. Enjoy it while it lasts, because it won't last long.
Just try not to start a nuclear war or something for the people who will have to clean up after you, plz k thx.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 31 2016, @02:43AM
What the fuck? Are you completely retarded? Was it not HRC that promised to annihilate Iran and start a war with Russia?
Yes it was -- go back and check.
Was it not HRC funded by the Saudi's who deny women their rights, slaughter civilians in the Yemen and fund ISIS?
You're a complete and utter cunt eh?
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @05:12PM
You are doing the demonic work of the jews.
"free thinkers, enlightened men, or moral beings"
Lets see what you mean by those:
1. Free thinkers who disown their own race and sleep with jews.
2. Enlightened men who are still in the dark and are being slaughtered. Enlightened only as much as Big Brother wants them to know.
3. Moral beings who like being told which morals to live by, by television personalities. Morals that involve killing other peoples.
-
A real, honorable, enlightened human has different definitions:
1. Free thinking to see through the veil that is being put on their eyes. Able to think for themselves, clearly.
2. Enlightened men who know the meaning of racial purity and have no hate for their race. Enlightened to respect other races and cultures (and not judge them) as long as they do the same.
3. Moral beings who benefit society and not fuel wars and death and destruction.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday December 30 2016, @06:11PM
Explain to us what "racial purity" means. Please. With as much science as you can muster. I've got a bag of popcorn the size of the Ritz and by Cthulhu it looks like I'm gonna need it all.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @07:01PM
If jews tell you (ask you nicely through many persuasion techniques) to do something, you can bet it has GOT to be bad for you.
They divide and conquer. A pure race is hard to fool. A pure race has many super-powers of the mind (no kidding here) and that is a great advantage. But you wouldn't know that if you are mixed.
Race mixing is genocide. Those who are not faithful to their race are traitors.
Ex French president jew Nicolas Sarkozy wants racial inter-breeding by law: French Ex-President Sarkozy again tells French to mix races. [whitegenocideproject.com]
Mixed people have no identity. They may look like people, eat, drink like people but are not. They are hollow beings who do not have life energy. Easy to conquer.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday December 30 2016, @07:08PM
What. The. Unholy. Fuck.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by BK on Friday December 30 2016, @05:32PM
I just figured that it was EF posting as AC to slip under your radar and troll you. Actually, I still think that.
...but you HAVE heard of me.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @12:56PM
Maybe the commercial was going to show alt-right/neo-nazi types being run over by Cadillacs.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @01:04PM
Found a liberal jew.
commercial was going to show alt-right/neo-nazi types being run over
Jews will be run-over by Tanks. Or at the very minimum put into camps where they cannot hurt us easily and the world can live in peace, and there will be no need for Tanks any more.
Experiment: What will happen if you tie a jew behind a Cadillac and tow him for half an hour?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @02:02PM
The rest of society will put you in prison, you vile creature!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @02:44PM
No, stupid - the rest of society will praise me, and beg for tolerance and understanding, because I am Muslim.
- achmed
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @02:56PM
Ha - well played.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday December 30 2016, @05:49PM
Pssh, you've got that idiot Dunham's hand up your boney ass the whole time. You're not going anywhere, Mr. Dead Terrorist.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @06:22PM
I see your biggest fear is terrorists.
When your time comes, you will face terrorists in Room 101.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday December 30 2016, @06:31PM
Are they going to be...terrifying...terrorists? And will they be all boney and googly-eyed? And have a gay son?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @08:59PM
Mohammed: Did you see Mohammed at the meeting today?
Mohammed: No, but his brother Mohammed showed up.
Mohammed: What did Mohammed talk about?
Mohammed: Mohammed introduced us to Mohammed who is also a mason!
Mohammed: A mason? No shit? How long has he been one?
Mohammed: About five years. He was referred to the local lodge by Mohammed.
Mohammed: Ah, yes, Mohammed. He has a shit ton of connections around town!
Mohammed: Yes, and our brothers, police be upon them, Mohammed and Mohammed from Egypt came, too.
Mohammed: I've been thinking of becoming a clown.
Mohammed: A clown, Mohammed, why?
Mohammed: So I can film myself being gay.
Mohammed: Oh, you.
Mohammed: So anyway, is Mohammed, Mohammed, and Mohammed coming to the next party?
Mohammed: Indeed. Mohammed was so funny last time.
Mohammed: Well it wouldn't be a party without Mohammed.
Mohammed: Yes, my friend. POLICE BE UPON THEM!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 30 2016, @02:45PM
'nuff said
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @06:20PM
'nuff said..
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 30 2016, @07:41PM
mimicry, just another form of flattery . . .
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @08:02PM
mimicry, just another form of shittery...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 30 2016, @10:29PM
Well, you can stop shitting on the forums any time.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @11:30PM
You first and then I'll copy you!
(Score: 2) by Dunbal on Friday December 30 2016, @02:45PM
The BEST thing is this mysterious "alt right" only exists in the heads of liberals. If there WAS an alt-right there would be a hell of a lot more trouble, protests, fighting and rioting than there is today. While there are a few neo-nazi crackpots, this "alt-right" is a spectre paraded in front of the gullible to keep them marxist.
(Score: 1) by garrulus on Friday December 30 2016, @06:20PM
No the (be it very loosely defined) alt right exists, and got tracktion after the left sped up the immivasion of the native white european lands of europa and north america last year.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @06:22PM
North american "native white lands"
That's rich!
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday December 30 2016, @06:24PM
North America was native white? Huh. So what the hell were all those Indians doing here when {Columbus|Ericsson|The Puritans} landed here?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @07:13PM
You liberals need to be spanked sometimes.
The OP said "native white European lands of Europe", which means exactly that.
Then OP said "and North America", which is not connected to "native". But as whites have been plowing that land for centuries and developing it, so it belongs to them now. Or maybe you want to end up with a Zimbabwe?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday December 30 2016, @09:12PM
Okay first of all, NO ONE but my girlfriend spanks me.
Second: If you really wanna argue a "possession is 9/10ths of the law" position, that means you're not going to bitch at China when they start taking over pieces of Africa, wrest the Senkaku Islands from Japan, and hey, who knows, maybe even start buying up massive pieces of US land, riiiiiight?
...boy, you're a stupid motherfucker, ain't'cha?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Friday December 30 2016, @09:16PM
No, garrulus specifically said “Europa.” I'm assuming that they're confirming that there is, in fact, intelligent life there and that they've also been overrun by a lizard person invasion. That would explain why the main subspace relay between Sol and Thuban is in the northern atmosphere of Saturn.
I propose a manly combination of our technologies to create some kind of superdimensional fortress capable of transforming into a giant mech armed with a wave motion gun!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @10:19PM
> The OP said "native white European lands of Europe", which means exactly that.
Except they even those aren't white. It was only about a century ago that anyone other than anglos and saxons were considered white. Don't believe me? Just ask Ben Franklin:
And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth.
Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind, Peopling of Countries, etc. — Benjamin Franklin [columbia.edu]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @07:12PM
Lol, keep them Marxist? Such insanity in this thread
(Score: 2) by looorg on Friday December 30 2016, @03:12PM
It's really hard to take this kinda news seriously. Nobody tries to sell their wares, cars or whatnot, with actual neo-nazis. It would devastate their entire brand and business. You are never going to see the McAdolf burger, the AryanMobile, the Zyklon B pesticide (again) or whatever other fantasy someone might dream up. Ad-people and casting services do this crap all the time, it's typecasting - they are looking for types or people with attributes they associate with one thing or another. In this case it would seem that they have already adopted the liberal agenda and language where words or groups like alt-right and neo-nazis are now just codewords for white people. They wanted some real pale and white folks to try and sell their cars. Apparently they didn't want this to get out and now they scramble to blame each other or just anyone but themselves. Which sadly makes the whole concept of actual Nazism lose all meaning but they don't really care about that. Which is why we see all this crap about how everything is like Nazis, fascism or whatever else it is that the left doesn't like.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @04:39PM
So neo-nazi/alt-right is the white equivalent to the urban market. The more you know.
(Score: 2) by looorg on Friday December 30 2016, @06:47PM
So neo-nazi/alt-right is the white equivalent to the urban market. The more you know.
I would assume so, they certainly make it seem like it is. 'Alt-Right' is like heartland America, aka the red-states. White folks that don't live in the metropolises of multiculturism along the east and west coasts.
(Score: 4, Funny) by Gaaark on Friday December 30 2016, @06:25PM
You say potato, i say deplorable.
If we all just started calling each other 'fuck-face', we'd all be sooooo much better off.
No niggers, no spics, no yellow-purplese. Just "Hey, fuck-face!"
come on... try it.
"Hey, fuck-face!"
"Our next commercial will feature THIS guy... fuck-face!"
"Use tampax facial products.... like fuck-face here!"
Man, "humans are the most intelligent species on earth", and we can't get over the fact that we are soooo fucking stupid.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday December 30 2016, @07:14PM
INT and WIS are separate stats for a reason you know...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 31 2016, @02:07AM
Yeah, it's because the people who invented the system didn't have high INT and had to invent a stat to make them feel better about themselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @10:42PM
I have a feeling this will appeal to you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9grD7HKhkw [youtube.com]
NSFW language.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @08:31PM
Before anyone here starts labeling each other go read what a Nazi was. How they came about. Why did they end up where they were?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism [wikipedia.org]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party [wikipedia.org]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program [wikipedia.org]
Especially read the last one. It is basically the 'nazi manifesto'. You know how they convinced millions to follow them. Both of the current parties in the US have portions of these. All political parties do. We are human we are going to do similar things over and over. Out of their manifesto only point 4 would be considered verboten to do today. The rest all of the parties in the world either are open to or have done. After point 10 is pretty much straight up socialism with the party running the show with the workers seizing the means of production. 4 to 9 is usually considered anti Semitic as that was their intent. 1 - 3 is how the other countries where fucking germany over for money. 4-9 were put in place because the bankers were whom they decided to lay the blame of ww1 and the following recession. The banks in their view were controlled by 'the jews'. In modern times we call them 'the 1%'.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2016, @11:05PM
I want to add one more thing
This https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum [wikipedia.org]
What one person does, does not mean they hold the beliefs of others just because they do some of the same things. In the past year I have seen a lot of this sort of argument. It is a logical fallacy. It is easy to fall for because our brains lie to us every second of the day and pick things that 'sound good'. Do not fall for it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 31 2016, @04:42AM
It is a logical fallacy.
Interesting thing about logical fallacies: they are not always fallacies! We take for an example the Slippery Slope Fallacy. Sometimes a slight change will not lead to an irreversable slide into Armaggedon. But sometimes it does, as if when a society allows that some racist views are worth marketing to: almost always ends up with the country in ruins and der Trumpter eating a bullet in an undisclosed location. And the "ad hominem", often brought up here; but an "appeal to the person" is only a fallacy if facts about the person making the argument are not relevant to the argument being made. When the argument is whether these people are, or are not, actual Nazis, personal facts about them are in fact pertinent.
So, the reduction to Hitler is only a fallacy when the person/party/social movement it is being applied to is not Hitler, or by extention, fascist. This, of course, it what is in dispute, so to argue that alt-right is clearly not Nazi is to beg the question, in the correct usage of the phrase [begthequestion.info], and to argue that Reductio ad Naziarium is a fallacy is a blatant example of the Fallacy Fallacy. [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 3, Interesting) by aristarchus on Friday December 30 2016, @11:14PM
One hundred and fourty comments, and no one has answered the original (implied) question: "What make and model of automobile is appropriate for the alt-right?" The old conservative right drove Oldsmobiles. American middle-class drives nothing like a Buick. Nothing says British useless class more than a Bentley or Rolls-Royce. Nothing says Belieber like a Lamborgini. Latte-drinking Volvos, anyone? So why would it be Cadillac? Shouldn't Neo-Nazis be driving the Car of the People? (National Socialist Car!!) The VolksWagon. But a la Trump, Hitler usually rolled in a 1941 Mercedes-Benz 770K Grosser W150 Offener Tourenwagen. [theguardian.com] (Black, not Gold). So what does this Banner guy drive? Or the Spendcer? I bet Milo drives a VW!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 31 2016, @04:34AM
"What make and model of automobile is appropriate for the alt-right?"
Now that Hummer is gone, my guess is either the F-150 or Wrangler.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday December 31 2016, @04:59AM
What? The Hummer is gone? But as to the Wrangler and F150, those are traditional right, not alt-right. And those I know in the American Military seem to prefer the Rubicon, for somewhat obscure reasons. The F150 has gone the way of all Ford products, starting out as a fairly decent vehicle, and then bloating beyond all practical reason, much like happened to the Thunderbird. Besides, what about the Mustang? Named after a Tibetan breed of horses, fitted with a sound system to fake engine noise, making America Grate Again? No, still just old school redneck (think: General Lee, muscle cars), not alt-right, which seems to be much more metro-sexual, post-factual, and in line with Thorstein Veblen's "Theory of Conspicuous Consumption". [wikipedia.org]
[Makes me think, though. Outside of the US Military leaving all those behemoths overseas, was it intentional that the Military Industrial Complex produced a replacement for the Willy's Jeep that could not be made road-legal, or fit in a normal garage? Hmmm, instant planned obsolecense.]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 31 2016, @01:40PM
The alt-right drives a Toyota to the grocery store and the media calls it a Panzer and claims they invaded Poland with it.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday December 31 2016, @07:57PM
Are you trying to claim the grocery store attacked first? Or were there alt-right settlements already in the grocery store, so it was a case of Lebensraum?