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posted by Fnord666 on Thursday January 12 2017, @03:36AM   Printer-friendly
from the where-is-my-jetpack? dept.

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, for example, has just called on the Long Island Power Authority to approve a 90 megawatt offshore wind project 30 miles southeast of Montauk (out of sight of the Long Island beachfront), and he's also proposing a commitment to an impressive 2.4 gigawatts of offshore wind by 2030. As reported previously, a separate 800 megawatt offshore wind plant is due to be developed 17 miles south of the Rockaway Peninsular, and Norwegian oil giant Statoil recently shifted its investments from tar sands in order to win the auction to lease it for development.

All of this and more will be part of Governor Cuomo's push for an Offshore Wind Master Plan, which is slated to be completed by 2030 at the latest. Of course, there's a large elephant in the room in terms of the famously wind-skeptic (hostile?) President Elect Donald Trump, but Governor Cuomo's announcement suggests that states will continue to push things forward even if the federal government doesn't.

New York should learn from the fight over the Cape Cod offshore wind farm and push coal-fired plants first, with the offshore windfarm as a compromise.

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  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday January 12 2017, @11:30AM

    by FatPhil (863) <> on Thursday January 12 2017, @11:30AM (#452913) Homepage
    Good points, but many are virtual things that are more nurture than intrinsic. It's important because it's important. It's beautiful because it's beautiful. These are all subjective deep down. Compare diesel locos - one person sees a dirty noisy stinky mess, another sees a unique exciting groundbreaking piece of history. Neither's wrong. I think a cafe at the top of a wind turbine would be an excellent idea - I hope someone's brave enough to implement that, I'd want floor-to-ceiling displays of all of the telemetry for the tower, if not the whole field - I'd definitely go!

    I remember holidaying on åland, seeing various wind turbines bravely dotted across various bits of the islands' landscapes, including the Lemland ones where we were staying, and those are the biggest ones, and barely hearing a whisper out of them. And that wasn't just because our car noise was drowning them out - when we stopped in the middle of nowhere at an unmanned petrol station to fill up, we were right next to a turbine, spinning merrily away, and all we heard was a gentle relaxing hum. How anything near a harbour can be considered noisy apart from the boats themselves I don't know, and I say that living only hundreds of metres from the Tallink terminal here.
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  • (Score: 2) by Aiwendil on Thursday January 12 2017, @12:51PM

    by Aiwendil (531) on Thursday January 12 2017, @12:51PM (#452925) Journal

    Mariehamn is the harbour used by Eckerö-linjen (to Grisslehamn, straight west of mariehamn), the turbine was there in the late 90s, and was a small one (sub-MW), and it was very loud due to it being a non-windy-port, the ferry (only company that uses it, it is a very small harbour) has a very short turn-around-time (so you are there well ahead of departure), and almost all cars has their engines off (normally the seagulls are the loudest persistant noise).

    And that is an issue shared with wind and nuclear - lots of bad impressions comes from early experiences. (I agree that the MW-class turbines are less noisy, but more visually intrusive [at Väddö they recently built a small windfarm, you can see those from very far away, whilst forsmark nuclear power station is very easy to miss until you get past the last forest and/or island. So, nowhere to hide from the constant motion and intrusion from a wind turbine]).

    But back to the main thread - all complaints about non-locally-polluting power-generators (PV, Solar thermal, nuclear, hydro, geothermal, natgas) are subjective and virtual, and once you get down to raw numbers it doesn't make sense to build wind near populated areas (HVDC links and HUGE [double-digit-GW farms] makes more sense, and cities tend to be built where it is less windy [and they obstruct wind themselves]).

    Also, even if people where to like the look of turbines it still would negativly impact the value of properties that can see them (since you know you can use it as a bargaining point), and people tend to be hostile to anything that impacts their economy.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by driven on Thursday January 12 2017, @02:02PM

    by driven (6295) on Thursday January 12 2017, @02:02PM (#452933)

    "all we heard was a gentle relaxing hum"

    I've stood under a wind turbine (part of a mid-size wind farm) and I didn't find it relaxing. But I wouldn't judge the sound until you've lived next to a wind farm for a period of time - just stopping by for a few minutes and listening isn't the same. Imagine not being able to escape the sound in your own home, or trying to sleep when everything else is quiet which would tend to magnify the droning wind turbine sounds.
    I wonder what effect a wind farm has on nearby property values?

    Seems that most people who want a wind farm are okay with it as long as it's in someone else's back yard.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by FatPhil on Thursday January 12 2017, @10:53PM

      by FatPhil (863) <> on Thursday January 12 2017, @10:53PM (#453108) Homepage
      Right now, I'm listening to doof-doof-doof from the local nightclub (I live downtown). I'd trade that for a constant hum any day.
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  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday January 12 2017, @02:15PM

    by Phoenix666 (552) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 12 2017, @02:15PM (#452939) Journal

    I'm with you on that. I enjoy the sight of wind turbines turning in the breeze; it says to me we're living in the Buck Rogers future. Also, they greatly mitigate the mind-boggling tedium of the Midwest landscape. Covering every square inch of North Dakota, Nebraska, and Kansas with wind turbines would be doing the world's aesthetics a huge favor.

    Washington DC delenda est.
    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday January 12 2017, @10:45PM

      by FatPhil (863) <> on Thursday January 12 2017, @10:45PM (#453104) Homepage
      Yeah, love the Lakota, but fuck the rest of them!

      (j/k - g/f's from NE)
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