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President Trump's executive order banning people from seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the U.S. also applies to green card holders from those countries, the Department of Homeland Security said Saturday. "It will bar green card holders," acting DHS spokeswoman Gillian Christensen told Reuters.
Green cards serve as proof of an individual's permanent legal residence in the U.S. A senior administration official clarified on Saturday afternoon that green card holders from the seven countries affected in the order who are currently outside the U.S. will need a case-by-case waiver to return to the U.S. Green card holders in the U.S. will have to meet with a consular officer before departing the country, the official said.
Source: The Hill
At least one case quickly prompted a legal challenge as lawyers representing two Iraqi refugees held at Kennedy International Airport in New York filed a motion early Saturday seeking to have their clients released. They also filed a motion for class certification, in an effort to represent all refugees and other immigrants who they said were being unlawfully detained at ports of entry. Shortly after noon on Saturday, Hameed Khalid Darweesh, an interpreter who worked on behalf of the United States government in Iraq, was released. After nearly 19 hours of detention, Mr. Darweesh began to cry as he spoke to reporters, putting his hands behind his back and miming handcuffs.
[...] Inside the airport, one of the lawyers, Mark Doss, a supervising attorney at the International Refugee Assistance Project, asked a border agent, "Who is the person we need to talk to?"
"Call Mr. Trump," said the agent, who declined to identify himself.
[...] An official message to all American diplomatic posts around the world provided instructions about how to treat people from the countries affected: "Effective immediately, halt interviewing and cease issuance and printing" of visas to the United States. Confusion turned to panic at airports around the world, as travelers found themselves unable to board flights bound for the United States. In Dubai and Istanbul, airport and immigration officials turned passengers away at boarding gates and, in at least one case, ejected a family from a flight they had boarded.
[...] Iranian green card holders who live in the United States were blindsided by the decree while on vacation in Iran, finding themselves in a legal limbo and unsure whether they would be able to return to America. "How do I get back home now?" said Daria Zeynalia, a green card holder who was visiting family in Iran. He had rented a house and leased a car, and would be eligible for citizenship in November. "What about my job? If I can't go back soon, I'll lose everything."
Source: The New York Times
(Score: 2) by fritsd on Sunday January 29 2017, @12:00PM
What president Trump did is NOT discrimination based on religion.
He banned people from *poor* muslim-majority countries (Yemen, Somalia, etc.) to come to the USA, and from Iraq and Iran (don't know how to call them; they're not as rich as the BRICS for sure).
But he didn't ban people from: Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar etc.
So rich Arab muslims are still welcome, despite that most of the 9/11 attackers were Saudis, and Osama Bin Laden was a Saudi.
And he also didn't ban people from Algeria and Malaysia and Indonesia and Egypt, AFAIK. Lots of muslims in those countries.
This disproves that his action is
(A) to keep muslims out (Saudi princes still welcome!)
(B) to keep terrorists out (Saudi princes still welcome!)
Also, the only people from poor muslim-majority countries that have the money for plane tickets are its affluent people, so we can't even conclude that he wants to keep poor muslims out while embracing rich muslims (plenty of rich "upper crust" people in those banned countries!)
We must therefore conclude that his action had another reason, which doesn't directly make sense. Maybe it is to do a stress test on the border security system, to see if they obey even nonsensical orders, and weed out the officers who don't obey every wish of their new Leader.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday January 29 2017, @01:53PM
Congratulations, you are making the very arguments that will be put forth in Federal court to try to get the order reinstated. It is now up to the judges to decide. Yes, Trump will be appointing _some_ judges, but that takes time, and if our system is worth anything, cases like this will not be heard by judges appointed by the executive who issues the order (they _should_ recuse themselves).
Україна досі не є частиною Росії Слава Україні🌻 https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/24/7408365/
(Score: 2) by fritsd on Sunday January 29 2017, @05:28PM
I think Trump, or rather the people behind his throne who thought this idea up, were already aware of this loophole to claim "our action is not religious discrimination because X,Y and Z".
I don't know, can they use the following dialogue:
Judge: "Your action has inconvenienced Americans and Green Card holders, was there an overriding reason to do it nevertheless?"
Trump: "Yes, we knew it was going to have side-effects but decided to do it anyway because reasons"
Judge: "What were those reasons?"
Trump: "National security."
Judge: "What kind of national security reasons?"
Trump: "secret reasons :-) end of discussion."
All of us in democratic countries are so accustomed that governments provide reasons for their actions, or at least a fig-leaf of an excuse.
Autocrats however only need one reason: "I'm the boss and you're not".
I still don't understand at all *WHY* the Trump government decided to do this thing.
I can think of one valid reason, but that's so far into tin-foil hat territory that it's ridiculous.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday January 29 2017, @07:18PM
Well, from Johnson through Obama, I believe like you do: the President is a figurehead propped up by a political machine to do its bidding and take its flack. However, Trump (and candidate Perot), seem to be different animals - I'm sure the political machinery started lining up behind Trump starting about a year ago, and really kicked into high gear when he pulled ahead in the RNC, but Trump got himself (barely) elected by being off-the-cuff, crude, and generally believable. This first round of executive orders really sounds, mostly, like more of the same - ideals of his age, and he is quite old, predating civil rights for his value formative years.
I think he wanted to block immigration from all the Muslim countries he could get away with because: he wanted it. He no doubt has consulted with advisers who gave him some kind of a leg to stand on (like W with torture and WMD), but the quality of staff he's presenting to the media is pretty green and frankly lacking - it will be interesting to see if he can manage to maneuver enough effective firepower to his side to actually hold on to this order, or if he just went off half cocked and is going to be embarrassed by reality, again.
Україна досі не є частиною Росії Слава Україні🌻 https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/24/7408365/