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Two men were arrested following last night's shooting at a Quebec City mosque that left six people dead and 19 wounded, in what Quebec's premier described as a "murderous act directed at a specific community."
Thirty-nine people escaped the Centre Culturel Islamique de Québec (Islamic cultural centre of Quebec) in the Sainte-Foy neighbourhood without injuries, according to Quebec provincial police Sgt. Christine Coulombe.
Initially, it was reported that eight people were wounded, but authorities updated that number to 19 Monday morning.
Five were still in critical condition in hospital Monday morning, including three people who are in intensive care. Another 13 people have been released, according to a hospital spokesperson.
Coulombe said the people who died in the shooting, which occurred during Sunday evening prayers, ranged in age from 35 to 70.
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Monday January 30 2017, @08:44PM
Just in case you have been lied to:
Suspect in Quebec Mosque Attack Quickly Depicted as a Moroccan Muslim. He’s a White Nationalist. [theintercept.com]
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday January 30 2017, @08:49PM
Ha, my Soylent-Fu sucks today. FYI, the intercept story came out while I was typing the post. Ignore subject.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday January 30 2017, @09:04PM
I sure did hear the "Allahu Ackbar" lie, but I think it was on the alt-right outlet BBC News [bbc.com].
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 30 2017, @09:09PM
It should be easy to tell what's fake news and what's not. If we don't hear anything more about this shooting from the press, the shooter was Moslem. If we don't hear about more from the RWNJs (or if they twist the narrative to blame the victims because how dare they engage in free exercise of religion), the shooter was Christian.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by choose another one on Monday January 30 2017, @09:16PM
The "facts" have repeatedly changed on this one, on multiple major news sites, at a guess it is major incident confusion and "nobody is sure what happened yet" behind it rather than conspiracy by SJW / alt-right / whatever.
Apparently a moroccan immigrant _was_ arrested but has _now_ been released, and the other suspect is white canadian - but that is just what the news is saying at the moment. Could all change tomorrow.
Sometimes it is better to just sit and wait until the people on the scene have sorted out what happened before commenting.
(Score: 5, Informative) by ikanreed on Monday January 30 2017, @09:19PM
The Moroccan man was detained as a primary witness. That's not the same as being arrested as a suspect.
(Score: 3, Informative) by choose another one on Monday January 30 2017, @10:32PM
That is not what has been reported by multiple news outlets though.
Reuters: "A man of Moroccan descent who had also been arrested"
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-mosque-shooting-toll-idUSKBN15E0F6 [reuters.com]
Mirror, quoting local source TVA (in french, though translation looks correct to me):
"Mohamed el Khadir, reportedly of Moroccan origin, has been arrested"
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/first-picture-quebec-gunman-who-9722588 [mirror.co.uk]
http://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2017/01/30/les-deux-suspects-sont-alexandre-bissonnette-et-mohamed-khadir [tvanouvelles.ca]
Also note the last url - les-deux-suspects = the two suspects.
Looks like he _is_ a witness _now_ but _was_ arrested, as a _suspect_. It isn't hard to speculate how that could have happened.
But maybe you have other references?
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Monday January 30 2017, @11:01PM
Fair enough. I concede that saying he was arrested was a perfectly reasonable thing to do.
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Monday January 30 2017, @09:28PM
Sometimes it is better to just sit and wait until the people on the scene have sorted out what happened before commenting.
Tell that to the White House!
It is usually the case that there is significant confusion in the wake of attacks of this sort. And local police did apparently arrest two suspects at first: both Bissonnette along with el Khadir. And until the investigation is complete, one cannot know for certain what the motives here were. One should be careful about trying to infer too much from a hodgepodge of Facebook “likes” and, this early, even anecdotal claims about his political views. As for reports that someone yelled “Allahu akbar,” it is perfectly natural that someone in a mosque would say that upon seeing a homicidal killer randomly shooting people, or it’s possible that the shooter said it mockingly.
But this is exactly why no responsible news organization, let alone the White House, should rush to depict the shooter as Muslim and of Moroccan descent when so little is known about what happened. Yet not only did Fox and the Trump White House do exactly that, but worse, neither has retracted or corrected their claims long after it became clear that it was false:
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 30 2017, @10:42PM
Know what is more sicking than the killings?
One group hoping Muslims did it.
The other group hoping a white guy did it.
Then both groups setting up to quickly blame the other because they both decided to jump in and fill in the narrative they wanted.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday January 31 2017, @07:03PM
Know what is more sicking than the killings?
One group hoping Muslims did it.
The other group hoping a white guy did it.
Yeah, it's bad from random blowhards on the internet.
It is many orders of magnitude worse when the President of the US is hoping the Muslims did it so bad he's willing to lie to you about it.
(Score: 2) by digitalaudiorock on Tuesday January 31 2017, @12:47AM
That's because Trump is still in campaign mode rather than POTUS mode and primarily wants to appeal to his base...the ones who won't care or even notice if it turns out the real killer was a guy who liked Trump on facebook. The fact that Trumps ban will accomplish nothing more than ISIS propaganda makes no difference to him either, as even that, in a perverse way will likely make matters worse and in the process help to "make his case". Troll mod me if you want, but that really is my take on everything I'm seeing, This guy is even more scary than he is petty and immature.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 30 2017, @10:37PM
Sometimes it is better to just sit and wait until the people on the scene have sorted out what happened before commenting
But then where will I put my internet rage?!
(Score: 3, Funny) by number6x on Monday January 30 2017, @10:59PM
Put it where it belongs. Vi vs Emacs [wikipedia.org].
Until the apostic users of the wrong, infernal, demonic editor are wiped from the internets, we will never achieve neutrality.
(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Monday January 30 2017, @11:43PM
Vi/Vim is for lusers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @12:36AM
Infidel! Your choice of an editor is a travesty and reflects in your personality, grooming and offspring. Mine is the only true editor.
(Score: 2) by edIII on Monday January 30 2017, @09:25PM
I'm having some difficulty in understanding why an Islamic terrorist attacked a mosque. That is not something they typically do is it? Perhaps I'm not exposed to enough foreign news, but I'm not able to recall any incident in which radical Islam was taking out people in mosques. Streets, malls, bazaars, even hospitals, but not where dutiful and faithful Muslims are actually praying to Allah.
I'm very curious about what actually happened.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Monday January 30 2017, @09:36PM
It's not what happened in this case, but that does happen.
And in those cases it happens for much the same reason your slightly-off evangelical Uncle thinks Catholics are trying to take over the country: marginal distinctions in theology are blown into massive extraordinary differences in identity.
(Score: 4, Informative) by bob_super on Monday January 30 2017, @09:39PM
They do that all the time in the US-war-torn countries in the Middle-East, blowing up the mosque of another branch (Shia vs Sunni, typically).
Car bomb at the end of the Friday prayer is sadly a great way to perpetuate a sectarian war.
In Canada, that's quite far-fetched...
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday January 30 2017, @09:30PM
White Supremacist or Muslim could and maybe would have shouted "Allahu Achbar" while shooting down his victims. The supremacist in mockery of Islam, the Muslim in all seriousness, for religious purposes.
I believe the shooter probably did shout it out.
“Take me to the Brig. I want to see the “real Marines”. – Major General Chesty Puller, USMC
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 30 2017, @11:19PM
White Supremacist or Muslim
Or, coulda been a run of the mill hillbilly Quebequois or redneck Arkansawsan who is hateful and scared. Strange how much the two populations have in common.
(Score: 2) by kazzie on Monday January 30 2017, @09:38PM
The trouble is that shouting "Allahu Akbar" isn't necessarily indicative these days. Heck, in a school where I work, many (disruptive) kids will yell the phrase on occasion, probably to be controversial or edgy. (I hope it hasn't reached même stage yet.)
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 30 2017, @10:35PM
Or, you know, if you are a muslim and you think you are about to be killed you might want to make a quick prayer to God.
(Score: 2) by tibman on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:47PM
I've also heard the younglings shout it. Seems to be a replacement for "YOLO". I'm still a fan of "Leeeeroy!" but that only works before you do the dumb thing.
SN won't survive on lurkers alone. Write comments.
(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Monday January 30 2017, @11:40PM
It's also possible the attackers would purposely yell "Allahu Ackbar" to make it appear that they are Muslims. Possibly in attempt to throw off authorities by leading them to believe they were looking for brown people.
(Score: 2, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Monday January 30 2017, @09:26PM
Saw your link - followed it - and I was thinking that I need to thank you for the update. And, I do thank you! But, wait a second. The police have not identified the shooter. From the article:
"A leader of a local immigration rights groups, François Deschamps, told a local paper he recognized his photo as an anti-immigrant far-right “troll” who has been hostile to the group online."
Until the shooter is officially identified, we still don't know who he is, or why he shot up the mosque. Maybe Francoise knows what he's talking about, and maybe he doesn't either. Francoise may well be another troll, using his two minutes of fame to confuse the issue.
I'll wait just a little longer, to see whether this is a white supremacist asshole, or another Muslim asshole, or just some random asshole who felt the need to get his name in the papers.
“Take me to the Brig. I want to see the “real Marines”. – Major General Chesty Puller, USMC
(Score: 2) by aiwarrior on Monday January 30 2017, @09:44PM
I cannot believe you are airing a very sensible opinion. Well, I for one support your judgment when it is reasonable.
I may even go as far as saying that regardless of the motivations or colors, a murder or multiple murder is very well framed in most civilized countries laws, and justice shall be served accordingly. Never by mob rule, nor public opinion, nor special "turrorrist" laws with special sentences.
I never understand people claiming special sentences for terrorists or executions or torture etc. If the law does not allow for those punishments then society needs to reflect if it wants to change that. If it doesn't want to change that, then, a bit of reflection (oh God in this world of sound bytes) on why we overreact so much on the heat of the moment would be a good prescription.
I guess for 2017 I wish, law, order and good citizenship, of the reflecting kind not of the altruist one. I also wished very much my country would have such a perfect system as the original American state organization, with a real senate. I digress..
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 30 2017, @10:55PM
I cannot believe you are airing a very sensible opinion.
Well, I for one support your judgment when it is reasonable.
Don't be fooled. Derpaway just uses whatever tool is most likely to produce the results he wants.
Looks like one of his fellow bigots went postal? Lets take it easy, stay cool, practice restraint and not make a rush to judgment.
Looks like someone on the other team went postal? Full speed ahead on the hate train!
The only principle at work here is to maximize whatever argument most validates his prejudices.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @05:46AM
I blame Runaway2626 for this mass murder. If it were not for fucking cowards like him, encouraging "lone wolf" idiots like this, we would only have to deal with the regular Republican serial killers and Bush league foreign country invasions. But Runaway has encouraged people like this guy, so it is just like Runaway pulled the trigger himself. And I think he is just a step or two from doing so. Did not a Mosque burn down in Texas a day or so ago?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 01 2017, @05:57AM
I do not just blame him, Runaway1956 and all his ilk are directly responsible for lone wolf acts like this. Runaway has basically killed six people. Oh, yeah, he will claim that he never said that someone should go out and kill Muslims, except he fucking did. Runaway is a accomplice to mass murder. He is scum. If I believed in the death penalty, I would have to say it is too good for him. Next time, you fucking ignorant viewer of Faux (um, you know, that means "Fake") News, you want to say something about Islam, I suggest you just go an kill some children, anybody's children, because who do you think was in that Mosque! You are a murderer, Runaway! I will no longer read your posts, or respond to them. You are dead to me, as you should be in real life, for having encouraged this atrocity.
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Monday January 30 2017, @10:38PM
It's confirmed now: QUEBEC — Police in Quebec have identified a man taken into custody after a deadly attack on a mosque Sunday. Alexandre Bissonnette is said to be the only suspect... [wreg.com]
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:19AM
Yep.
That story is pretty poorly written. Awfully poorly written, actually. First, the story establishes that there was only one shooter - but it goes on the repeat earlier claims that it was a coordinated attack by two shooters.
"In what was described as a coordinated attack, witnesses say the two gunmen wearing black fired indiscriminately into the dozens of worshipers — including families — in the mosque."
But, yes, it does say the police have identified the shooter, as opposed to some random member of the public recognizing him.
“Take me to the Brig. I want to see the “real Marines”. – Major General Chesty Puller, USMC
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:08AM
That story is pretty poorly written. Awfully poorly written, actually. First, the story establishes that there was only one shooter - but it goes on the repeat earlier claims that it was a coordinated attack by two shooters.
Yeah, stupid lamestream media! Can't even report the news right!
That's the real tragedy here. That's what we should all be taking about!
You are such a squirming mass of psychoses is, it just sad to see you acting out.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 30 2017, @11:37PM
From the article:
Are Muslim Canadians not Canadians? Wouldn't this be a domestic terrorist attack against Canadians? Or are we giving them special treatment? Or is it difficult for people to accept the fact hat anyone can be a victim of terrorism, including Muslims?
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by http on Tuesday January 31 2017, @12:22AM
DIE IN A FIRE.
It's not a attack on Canadians, but on very particular and specific subset of Canadians. Recognizing that it is an identifiable group that is being targeted is not "special treatment."
When a terrorist attacks a mosque, it doesn't affect most Canadian's decision to go to Tim Horton's or not. It will certainly be top-of-mind awareness for a Muslim, and might affect their decision to go to prayers or not.
Actually, maybe don't die in a fire. I hear 3rd degree burns are almost as painful as xenophobic/racist fucks trying to subvert discourse with malicious sophistry.
I browse at -1 when I have mod points. It's unsettling.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @03:01AM
You're not being very tolerant. Or nice.
(Score: 2) by http on Wednesday February 01 2017, @11:22PM
I'm under no compulsion to be tolerant of, or nice to, a racist, xenophobic fuck who wants muslims dead for no other reason than... actually, for no reason. Just excuses.
I browse at -1 when I have mod points. It's unsettling.