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The Associated Press reports:
Oregon's chief medical examiner said Tuesday that an infant born to members of a church that practices faith healing died from complications of prematurity as authorities conducted a criminal investigation into the child's death. The baby, Gennifer, was probably "a couple of months" premature and her lungs were too underdeveloped to allow her to breath unassisted for long, Dr. Karen Gunson, the chief medical examiner, said in a phone interview.
Clackamas County sheriff's investigators will present the case to prosecutors but have not finished interviewing witnesses, Sgt. Brian Jensen told The Associated Press in a phone interview.
She died a few hours after her birth at her grandparents' home on March 5 in Oregon City, where the Followers of Christ Church is based. Her birth was attended by three traditional midwives, family members and other church members, authorities have said. No one called 911 when the baby began to have trouble breathing, Jensen said. A deputy medical examiner responding to a call about Gennifer's death noticed the surviving twin, Evelyn, was also struggling and called law enforcement, who persuaded the parents to get her medical treatment. That baby girl is doing well in the neonatal intensive care unit at Oregon Health & Science University, Gunson said.
(Score: 1) by anubi on Friday March 17 2017, @07:39AM (8 children)
AP is up to to some tricks... here's another link to the same thing from what I can tell...
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FAITH_HEALING_DEATH_INVESTIGATION [ap.org]
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 17 2017, @08:09AM (3 children)
Nope, it shows some kind of map. What is wrong with this site?
(Score: 2, Informative) by anubi on Friday March 17 2017, @08:15AM (2 children)
I do not understand... that very link was working for me, and posted it. I get the map too now.
Lemme try this one?
Same link and I did not trim the crap after the "?" in the URL [ap.org]
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 17 2017, @08:22AM (1 child)
That one worked
(Score: 1) by anubi on Friday March 17 2017, @08:37AM
Thanks... I'll betcha this mess has something to do with cached pages - because I got it once through Google, it was in cache and subsequent hits were locally redirected to get from cache...
I normally trim off any crap after "?" in the link I get from Google because its so commonly used for tracking people. I'll betcha AP is playing games to let Google get it, but redirect the rest of us to that map.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
(Score: 2, Interesting) by anubi on Friday March 17 2017, @08:09AM (2 children)
---- offtopic comment - but this is the first time I have seen something like this happen... ----
Ok... now I am really confused. The original link kept routing me to "http://hosted.ap.org/specials/bluepage.html".
I cut and pasted some stuff into Google, and got what Google returned... and posted the link I got just to save everyone else from having to do the same...
Upon cutting and pasting BOTH links into Notepad... they look IDENTICAL.
However, the link in the story will be redirected to bluepage.html...
While the link I posted goes through.
I am now quite puzzled... why does one link go one place, while the other go another? I see nothing different in the links. Does anyone else?
Now, to make my post slightly on topic.... stuff like this is exactly what threw a humongous monkey wrench into my belief system - here I am - raised Pentecostal/Southern Baptist - and I had a lot of cognitive dissonance to go through to shed a lot of childhood beliefs instilled by family. It took several runs like this to do it, but one sees the kind of stuff that goes on in the name of religion, and it can sure take a bite out of one's faith.
I still believe there is a God, but what I see here reeks of the very thing the Bible spoke of about the deception of man.
Some people tell me come Judgment Day, I am going to have a lot of explaining to do.
I feel I can honestly stand up in front of God himself if need be, and truthfully say, "I have done my best - given what I had to work with.".
I can get just as furious as anyone else over a bunch of "believers" pushing incredible viewpoints with no demonstrable evidence.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
(Score: 3, Informative) by RedBear on Saturday March 18 2017, @02:49AM (1 child)
No huge mystery, I think. The two links are certainly identical. But look at the actual link. "hosted.ap.org"? A bit of wild but educated guessing says that the AP wants to promote local affiliates rather than its own website, so when you go to that link on your own you get the page that wants you to choose your state and choose a local affiliate site from a list. But when you click on the same link from a page of Google results the AP site just directs you to the actual article, or dynamically chooses a local affiliate for you to see. Because it knows where you're coming from, the "referring" site, which would be Google. That's part of how the Internet works.
When I search for keywords related to the article the AP domain doesn't even show up in the results. All I see are related article pages from a bunch of different radio and TV and newspaper websites. It would appear that part of the contractual relationship between the AP and all of its subscribing affiliates is that the affiliates get promoted first. They are, after all, the clients purchasing rights to redistribute the AP content in a mix with their local news.
A lot of very wise people in history all over this planet have been essentially saying the same set of words for thousands of years, that every religious text no matter how old or how complex has at its core the same simple idea: Treat others the way you would like to be treated. All of the rest is just decoration and parables about how to follow that one simple rule. If following that rule to the best of our ability isn't good enough for whatever entity is in charge around here then we all have a serious problem.
¯\_ʕ◔.◔ʔ_/¯ LOL. I dunno. I'm just a bear.
... Peace out. Got bear stuff to do. 彡ʕ⌐■.■ʔ
(Score: 1) by anubi on Saturday March 18 2017, @06:02AM
Thanks for the insight!
It sure puzzled me a lot, as I did the Google thing, clicked on the link Google gave me, got the story, then copied the link, pasted it to my post, saw the ?stuff, trimmed it off, previewed the post, clicked the link in the preview again just to make sure, got the story again, hit submit, got the story again, and got the nice warm feeling I had done something useful and saved everybody else from having to do the same.
Later, I revisited and saw the post from AC saying he got the map.
How could he? I had carefully checked to make sure I was posting a good link. I always do. I clicked the link in my own post and got the map too.
Yet, I know good and well I had got the story before.
The more I was digging into it, I was really getting the idea I was going crazy. Both the original story and my post had identical links.
It wasn't until I stepped away from it that I realized I had got the story once, using the Google referrer link, and now it was in my cache, and subsequent queries as I checked the validity of my post were coming from my local cache, not the internet.
This combined with your insight now makes perfect sense to explain the magic show I just encountered.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 17 2017, @08:18AM
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/0616781dfb5f4b339671501c61e6fe8d/autopsy-newborn-faith-healer-group-died-prematurity [ap.org]
http://www.eastoregonian.com/autopsy-infant-born-to-faith-healer-died-from-prematurity-eo-ap-webfeeds-news-northwest0616781dfb5f4b339671501c61e6fe8d [eastoregonian.com]
Since it's AP, you can just search the text to find copies of it all over the place.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 17 2017, @07:53AM (12 children)
At least they were trying, according to their beliefs.
If we aren't going to allow that, then how about parents who sexually mutilate their sons a week after birth?
What if the mohel performs metzitzah b’peh, causing the child to die of neonatal herpes?
FYI, that is... some kind of cannibal pedophilia, and it's killing babies in New York in 2017.
http://nypost.com/2017/03/08/new-case-of-neonatal-herpes-caused-by-jewish-circumcision/ [nypost.com]
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/nyc-infant-herpes-cases-linked-jewish-circumcision-found-article-1.2992400 [nydailynews.com]
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 17 2017, @08:06AM (2 children)
Now it is a serious issue, but to equate ancient medical practice with cannibalism? Sheeeit, you must be one hell of an Aryan brother!!
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 17 2017, @09:17AM (1 child)
Maybe more of a vampire thing?
Dude, they SUCK BLOOD FROM THE PENIS.
Some old man puts his mouth on the baby's dick and... seriously, WTF is wrong with him... and how is it that mom and dad don't beat him to death for molesting their baby?
These newborns are getting STDs from cocksucking. It's about what you'd expect from a Church of Satan initiation rite.
If opposing this perversion is Aryan, so be it. Count me in. 88
(Score: 3, Informative) by rondon on Friday March 17 2017, @12:45PM
Yeah, just read the post article. That person isn't Aryan, he/she is just opposed to newborn's getting STDs from old men's mouths. Which seems like a perfectly valid concern for any human being who respects the rights of others.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 17 2017, @08:20AM (8 children)
We should ban circumcision for anybody under 18. Male, female, trans, etc. Unless they are a conjoined twin, no cutting down there.
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Friday March 17 2017, @02:25PM (7 children)
How do we mobilize outrage about this issue to the level feminists displayed when the American Academy Pediatrics, the current body that recommends that infant males be universally sexually assaulted at birth as a cervical cancer control measure (!!!!%$@#%$!!), recommended that US hospitals should perform what feminists hysterically call “female genital mutilation?” We could use that same level of hysteria.
(Score: 1, Troll) by mhajicek on Friday March 17 2017, @04:05PM (6 children)
There are real benefits to circumcision, both for the man and his partner, and I'm glad mine was done when I was too young to remember.
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 17 2017, @06:18PM
2/3 of the nerve endings are in the part you lost. Long-term contact with cloth affects the remaining part, which is now exposed.
Be a man about it. Admit that you were harmed, causing loss of sensitivity.
Also remember the mistakes leading to amputation, bends, etc.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by kurenai.tsubasa on Friday March 17 2017, @08:10PM
I'm glad mine was done when I was too young to remember.
How fortunate for you. Mine never healed correctly. While I have the advantage that it just so happens that meds I take for an unrelated problem prevent me from experiencing physical pain from that as part of my daily life any more, men do not have that option--or at least I don't know any men who would want to take the meds I do.
There are real benefits to circumcision
UTIs. Well, for female infants, a trip to the doctor for antibiotics seems to be good enough for them. Amazingly, last I looked, the rate of incidence of UTI for female infants is around the same as male infants who haven't been mutilated. Because mutilation reduces the small chance of this routine health problem for male infants, I propose we remove the clitoral hood from female infants to give them the same health benefit.
AIDS. As it turns out, if you're an African man who is encouraged to engage in daily sexual activity at a whore house, you won't do that for about a week after you've been cut, while the control group will be engaging in sexual activity the whole time. Then a few weeks later, when the circumcised experiment group's rate of incidence of HIV begins to approach the control group, fortunately the person running the “study” will end it prematurely so they can conclude, somehow, against all sense, that their experiment with sexually active men is somehow relevant to infants.
Cervical cancer. As I already said, roughly, %$!@#&%$#*!@!!!!!
Penile cancer. Oh for the love of—. May I propose a solution to breast cancer?
Throw another one out.
If you want to get your dick cut as part of some strange sexual fetish, do it on your own dollar once you turn 18.
My body, my choice.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 17 2017, @09:19PM (1 child)
Why is this marked troll for someone who believes differently? I don't think he's saying these things to get attention or cause mayhem. This forum unlike Slashdot, does have a "disagree" mod. Be an adult and use it rather than going for the most insulting mod you can find.
(Score: 2) by mhajicek on Saturday March 18 2017, @03:43AM
They feel hurt and offended that someone who should be a martyr to their crusade doesn't feel like a victim.
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: 3, Interesting) by KiloByte on Saturday March 18 2017, @03:54AM
The only widely quoted study with that conclusion, Orange Farm, is so obviously biased that it's a prime example of junk science. They even destroyed the control group "to give them the benefits" right after the trial ended, before even publishing the results!
And as for effects on sex life: a couple of times, it happened to me that somehow my foreskin retracted while walking. Because of people around I couldn't adjust it, and the chafing was terrible. So if such pain isn't even noticed by circumcised men, they really have lost almost all feel in their penises. No wonders they claim they "last longer" -- it's not far from just cutting the dick off and replacing with a literal piece of wood. It will stay stiff forever, and who cares about losing the last bit of sensation, right?
Ceterum censeo systemd esse delendam.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 19 2017, @05:06AM
^ mhajidrek the baby mutilator
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 17 2017, @08:07AM (8 children)
Saying "a couple of months" is too vague since the viability can change drastically in a week.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterm_birth [wikipedia.org]
Honestly, this looks like healthcare providers attempting to make it illegal not to pay for their services.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Immerman on Friday March 17 2017, @08:50AM (1 child)
>Honestly, this looks like healthcare providers attempting to make it illegal not to pay for their services.
It kind of does. When exactly did it become illegal to *not* employ extreme measures to keep someone alive?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 17 2017, @01:55PM
Oh where do you guys get this BS? Don't answer that I do know where you get it. I'm sure Jesus would have approved of these peoples actions.
(Score: 2) by turgid on Friday March 17 2017, @10:03AM (3 children)
This shows the primitive nature and limitations of the for-profit hyper capatilist health care system.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 17 2017, @10:29AM (2 children)
Im not sure they would care where the money comes from, if taxes paid for the care they would want to force people to use it just as much. But let's say the premature twins were ~24 weeks old, then (assuming those numbers from wikipedia are accurate) even with the care we would only expect one to survive on average. This scenario is consistent with the info we have been provided, so claims like this are unwarranted:
Is this just another example of the innumeracy that plagues medical practicioners? Or is there some other "real" reason that the medical examiner believes that? Is it a deliberate political statement? What am I missing here?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by wisnoskij on Friday March 17 2017, @11:51AM (1 child)
I think it is dangerous to base opinions on so little information. First off, the article states it was probably more like 8 weeks premature. And you can bet the being a twin completely changes those statistics.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 17 2017, @03:35PM
Where does it mention eight weeks? Also if being a twin affects the expected viability, the medical examiner should be mentioning that and using it as part of her assessment. Right now her reasoning seems too flippant for this story to even be believable.
I think you were suggesting otherwise, but I could imagine that being twins skews the stats to be more extreme, ie one is the runt of the pair.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 17 2017, @10:44AM
Definition of "a couple" : https://xkcd.com/1070/ [xkcd.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 17 2017, @04:16PM
Pharma and doctors have been getting away with brain damaging kids all over the country for years now. The CPS (actual nazis) steal kids from safe homes and keeps them locked up with kids who have been abused and don't keep them from being abused. Or pass them off to scumbag foster parents who abuse them in one way or another. If you have your child in US hospitals these stupid motherfuckers start shooting the mom up with pitocin just to speed the process up (and sell the drug) and then if they don't kill or brain damage the baby with all their "interventions" (see The Business of Being Born) they start shooting it up with poison as soon as it pops out. You, the medical establishment are the vilest of whores. Society has no right to force parents to allow these scumbag pieces of shit to damage their kids. fuck doctors and the socialists who want to push their "beliefs" on others. people have a right to their own wacky religions (except religions who believe in using force. i.e. islam) and can make their own health decisions. We have a country of brainwashed slaves that let "authorities"(thieving pigs and their controllers) tell them what to do about everything. heads will roll in my lifetime if authoritarians and their pigs and rats don't back the fuck off.