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This weekend comes word that two of the masterminds behind the United Kingdom’s ongoing divorce from the European Union, Nigel Farage and Arron Banks. The duo just returned from the United States, where they reportedly helped raise a million bucks for one of the Calexit campaigns floating around — a scheme that would split the state into two eastern and western regions.
Farage and Banks are known as the Bad Boys of Brexit, and for good reason. As the controversial leader of the UK Independence Party, or Ukip for short, the one-time broadcaster Farage stirred up the anti-immigration pot in England among the white British working class. Banks, who co-founded the Leave.EU group, angered many when he claimed that Britain’s UK membership is “like having a first class ticket on the Titanic.’’ He also got into hot water with his controversial move to commission a poll after the murder of British politician Jo Cox, asking respondents whether the crime would have an impact on public opinion.
Now the Bad Boys have brought their shtick to California, according to a report in the Daily Mail which says the pair are helping exit backers trying to pit the eastern, more rural side of California against the western ‘coastal elite’ liberals in Los Angeles and San Francisco. The plan would be to create a Republican stronghold in the new state cleaved off California’s eastern flank, thus giving the GOP two more senators and electoral college votes for a 2020 presidential election.
Mercury News continues:
Meanwhile, a second Calexit campaign is underway. It’s called Yes California and it would see the state seceding from America entirely. If that initiative successfully finds a place on the ballot, a Yes vote would repeal clauses in the California Constitution stating “California is an inseparable part of the United States and that the United States Constitution is the supreme law of the land, ‘’ according to a statement from California’s Secretary of State Alex Padilla’s office said.
[Ed note: corrected typo in this story's last paragraph and expanded same to include the entire paragraph from which it was extracted. --martyb]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 28 2017, @11:37PM (28 children)
If they tried to get the cascades region to leave, maybe, but I really don't think this will be successful. There's just not a reason to split the state except for party dominance games, and most people don't care about that.
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Ethanol-fueled on Wednesday March 29 2017, @12:15AM (12 children)
You will care after the inland side expels its illegals into your half while your half offers them sanctuary. Ah, who are we kidding, not even the coastal side would keep their doors open for long after they realize they no longer need the minority vote to keep the Democrats in power.
This would leave the coastal part between a rock and a hard place - they would either have to admit to many of their own that they are not as tolerant as they let on, executing Trump-style immigration actions, or it will implode into a third-world country while all the Whites who made California prosperous in the first place flee to the inland side. As a bonus to other states, we would then have a containment zone for leftist hipster faggots settling on inland California's cheaper property (rather than Austin or Denver) and libertarianism rather than the soon-to-become favelas of the coastal area, properly kept in check by the militias.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @12:43AM (8 children)
Then who will pick the fruits and vegetables?
(Score: 3, Touché) by c0lo on Wednesday March 29 2017, @01:58AM (2 children)
The libertarians.
With the individual liberty and self-determination in mind, they'll do it gladly for the same wage as the illegal immigrants, for the good and prosperity of the EastCal.
(grin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @06:10AM (1 child)
I would love to see the libertarians and trump supporters get off their lazy unemployed asses and get out into those fields and start picking all that produce going to waste as they just had to go ahead and kick all the real farm workers out of the country. I hear they're paying > $20/hr right now and are scrambling to NOT lose their crops altogether because they can't find enough help. Some are talking of switching their crops to Almond trees that can be managed with 3 people.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @09:44PM
Those would be the same almond trees that heroic farmers grow to Make It On Their Own (tm) while sucking up 1/2 of CAs water?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/sep/14/alarm-almond-farmers-drain-california-dry [theguardian.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @02:13AM (2 children)
This myth has been debunked time and time again.
Americans are not only willing to do the menial jobs typically associated with unskilled illegals; they still make up the overwhelming majority of personnel in such jobs.
But that fact gets in the way of the idea of poor immigrants who do the jobs that Americans feel too entitled to take.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @01:28PM (1 child)
Americans are not only willing to do the menial jobs typically associated with unskilled illegals; they still make up the overwhelming majority of personnel in such jobs.
http://www.greeleytribune.com/news/local/meatpacking-industry-has-a-long-history-of-reliance-on-immigrant-laborer/ [greeleytribune.com]
You see, no one wants to do shit jobs for minimum wage especially under shit working conditions where you can lose an arm or all your fingers in a blink of an eye. And crony capitalism, like the one of Trump, is just going to make things worse. Instead of making sure working conditions, safety regulations are followed, and instead of fining employers for illegally hiring illegal aliens, what happens is the opposite because Murica Inc. needs their profits at all costs. So instead, they deport only few illegal migrants every so often to keep fear alive in these plants (so no one complains), don't fine companies for illegal hiring practices, tear down union laws that allow workers to actually organize. What do you expect? You end up with people you can most easily replace and kicked to the curb - undocumented workers.
Trump only cares about corp. profits, not individual prosperity. Heck, I don't think he cares to know that $30k/yr is a good, living wage for many people in America. For him if he can make $1 billion declaring bankruptcy and forcing 1000 workers on the street, it's a good day. He's proud of that!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @09:48PM
Pfft.... $30k is barely a decent meal these days.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @07:46PM (1 child)
It's funny how democrats are all about a living wage in their urban cities, but still feel a need for dark-skinned slaves to pick crops. Republicans have been fighting this for a century and a half.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @09:54PM
God bless the Republicans for standing up for the lesser races. *waves Confederate flag of emancipation*
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday March 29 2017, @01:10PM (2 children)
I grew up in the West and spent a lot of time in California, but it was always on the coast or in the central valley. The coast was movie stars, techno-lords, and retired military, and the central valley was agrobusiness overlords who affect Republicanism because it aligns best with the plantations they run. Wasn't until this summer I spent significant time in the north and east of the Sierras. Those are two different worlds, the north feeling like Oregon and east of the Sierras like New Mexico, Arizona, or Colorado. Breaking California up into four states comprising those regions would work pretty well. It wouldn't change the political balance in the larger country much either, with the coast and north staying blue and the central and east going red.
Breaking California off into an entirely separate country would be much more tramautic to everyone than it would have been for the South to succeed before. California is a powerhouse across a lot of sectors so it could very well stand on its own. But it's so deeply tied into the rest of America that extricating itself from the whole would do a lot of damage for a long time. The people who voted for Brexit probably thought the divorce would be immediate, but they're probably going to find it's going to take at least as long to get untangled as it took to integrate before, and the same would be true for Calexit.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @09:07PM
It could stand on it's own for everything except military(the US would not leave its resources there), water, power generation, trade agreements, and on and on. If any one single state were to break off and be self sufficient it would more likely be Texas or Alaska.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @10:03PM
The people who voted for Brexit probably thought it was going to herald in a new era in Middle Earth where Frodo and Sam would bake cookies on Wednesdays and everyone would get together under the tree on the common to sing rousing choruses about WW1 until uncle Bilbo got sleepy and got carried home.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @01:15AM (14 children)
Outside the coastal cities, people prefer normal American values. They want constitutional carry (no permit needed to carry a gun; the right is presumed), stand-your-ground (the right to self-defense with deadly force, without a duty to retreat), removal of illegals, low taxes, etc.
Inside the coastal cities, people abhor that kind of freedom. They hate America; they are fake Americans.
It's long past time for a divorce. Besides, the state is just stupidly big. WTF. Might as well make the USA one giant state, hmmm?
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @01:31AM (8 children)
Outside the coastal cities, people prefer normal American values. They want constitutional carry (no permit needed to carry a gun; the right is presumed), stand-your-ground (the right to self-defense with deadly force, without a duty to retreat), removal of illegals, low taxes, etc.
These are not American values, nor are they normal. These are Republican values, or, not to put too fine a point on it, ammosexual racist libertardtarian values. These are not normal human values. Found the lizard person!!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @04:36AM (4 children)
The first one, constitutional carry, is just following the Constitution.
(Score: 2) by G-forze on Wednesday March 29 2017, @05:41AM (3 children)
It's funny how gun nutters always seem to forget the part that talks about "a well regulated militia". The regulation part is right there in the second amendment!
If I run into the term "SJW", I stop reading.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @12:05PM
Someone doesn't know the context of the word regulate within the Constitution! But glad you tried!
Hint: every other time a variation of the verb to regulate is used in the document, it tells exactly who does the regulating. Not in that pesky second amendment though! That section uses an older definition where regulated is synonymous with the modern term, trained. And how does a mikitia become well trained? Certainly never in a situation where the government owns monopoly on self defense.
Your third grade interpretation or the constitution is appalling.
Would you like government monopoly on self defense? Why not government monopoly on encryption as well? Backdoor for everyone who hasn't completed a polygraph!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @04:59PM
you're a dumb fuck or a liar. the "militia" part was an explanation/example not a requirement and you probably know it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @09:11PM
Funny how anti-gun nutters forget "well regulated militia" did not mean "well restricted" or "lots of rules". At the time of writing, it meant "well supplied and trained". Remember, at the time the founding fathers did not believe in a standing army. They believed the people would stand up in militias to defend themselves. Militias supplied their own firearms and supplies. The end result is that in order to have a good militia, people should be able to supply themselves with arms and munitions.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @05:51AM
I like how this just devolved into:
Republicans - American
Democrats - Unamerican
Makes sense to me :)
I love America.
-- A love letter to America
(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday March 29 2017, @06:09AM
Nah, it was those values among others that enabled European immigrants to take over the land of the buffalo. Said without hate (having few Roman tracts I am one of the barbarians too), Vae victis.
Account abandoned.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @07:51PM
Ammosexual libertardtarian values would be **open** carry, with a huge .45 Magnum on your belt for all to see as you shop in the local mall.
Racist would be banning affordable guns or making a license expensive, abusing the fact that some races tend to be less well off.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @05:11AM
I've lived in both parts of the state and as far as I can tell the only difference between the coast and the Inland is that the coast is richer.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Wednesday March 29 2017, @03:04PM (3 children)
Your point about the state being too big is valid. Your point about the right to unlicensed carry is not. It's quite valid for rural areas and insanely stupid for urban areas. But it should be a city level choice, with possibly a state authorized uniform provision that can be either accepted or rejected by the city. I think that even Red Bluff would choose to ban unlicensed carry. Auburn probably wouldn't, though I haven't looked at it lately, so I don't know how big it's gotten.
Just remember, Matt Dillon brought the law to Dodge City by banning open carry within city limits. This isn't what they showed on Gunsmoke, but it's the way it actually happened. (I'm not actually sure whether he banned open carry, or banned carrying at all, though.)
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @05:03PM (2 children)
no american needs a license from the fucking government to carry a firearm. that's the whole point of the 2nd amendment. anyone who suggests otherwise is guilty of sedition and should be punished for that crime. we will probably see this carried out or civil war in my lifetime, since you socialist scum won't fuck off or move. I wonder who's going to when when this cold war goes hot?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @05:34PM
The second amendment doesn't mention americans. It says people.
According to the constitution anybdy in the USA (legally or not) can carry any weapon they like, anywhere they want to.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @10:09PM
Glad you respect the Constitution so much. So how do you feel about the emoluments clause?