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posted by cmn32480 on Monday April 17 2017, @08:34PM   Printer-friendly
from the people-that-live-in-a-bubble dept.

Edit: The link.

There were lots of good titles for this submission, as in "Breaking news: Poettering clueless?" to finally disprove Betteridge's law, or "systemd surprisingly not as good as advertised" or "Breaking new: systemd broken" or "Poettering censors critics after epic fail".

Systemd implementation of "rm -rf .*" will follow ".." to upper directory and erase /

How to reproduce:
        # mkdir -p /foo/dir{1,2}

        # touch /foo/.bar{1,2}

        # cat /etc/tmpfiles.d/test.conf

        R! /foo/.* - - - - -

        Reboot.

After the issue was fixed, finally Poettering added this gem of wisdom:

I am not sure I'd consider this much of a problem. Yeah, it's a UNIX pitfall, but "rm -rf /foo/.*" will work the exact same way, no?

The answer to this question, as many clarified for him, obviously is a loud "NO!". After being told a couple of times in no uncertain terms, the thread was closed for non-developers

poettering locked and limited conversation to collaborators 4 hours ago

for which I proposed the "freedom-of-speech" department (although I admit it is a weak proposal).


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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 17 2017, @10:31PM (11 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 17 2017, @10:31PM (#495569)

    can someone tell me why he is allowed to continue this?

    if i submit poor work, my ass gets thrown to the curb after less chances than he got. hes getting positions of power and no one has explained why. does he see the code in every day life or something but just fubars it in writing?

    dont tell me because 'open source' or something. lots of people can form a mob for free, so i expect that he can be surrounded and excluded and he can call people SJWs or whatever is trending and have little effect

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 17 2017, @10:40PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 17 2017, @10:40PM (#495572)

    You'll have nowhere to run from windows 10. Its like there is a concerted effort to break and lower the bar for general computing.

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by fnj on Monday April 17 2017, @11:54PM (1 child)

      by fnj (1654) on Monday April 17 2017, @11:54PM (#495605)

      Poettering the Putz hasn't touched BSD with his shit stains, because the ass-clown has contempt for BSD and he makes his junk purposely incompatible with it. Linux may be lost unless it purges itself of this garbage IMMEDIATELY, but a high quality POSIX OS still exists in the form of the BSDs.

      • (Score: 2) by edIII on Tuesday April 18 2017, @08:40PM

        by edIII (791) on Tuesday April 18 2017, @08:40PM (#496005)

        I'm not informed enough to understand just how bad systemd is, but I don't have to. The real problems are not technical, but social. The developers are fracturing and bickering themselves into irrelevance and oblivion. In many ways Linux reflects the shattered America with both sides so deeply divided that the whole ship is in trouble.

        I don't feel bad about deserting that ship at all and moving to OpenBSD for servers, and venturing out into FreeBSD for a personal workstation. The philosophy is better to me, and we need to move towards security. SystemD is a security nightmare waiting to happen. There is not enough peer review and that Utopia has proven to be an illusion over the least 20 years. Nobody really reviewed anything. SystemD will be a repeat of that, just more complicated and a deeper hole to dig us out of.

        Windows IS becoming irrelevant, and has already been irrelevant for quite some time in the server world. That means the favorite attack surface of hackers IS shifting towards Linux in particular. Have we moved towards greater security? NO, we moved in the direction of SystemD and starting a civil war within Linux.

        I'm putting all of my energy towards OpenBSD and moving away from PHP to Perl. The BSD community seems like a safer bet to find good, secure, peer review code. That, and the manuals in OpenBSD are very high quality. Like surprisingly high. I spent 20 minutes searching Google, only to find somebody on Google directing me back to my own damn manual which had the answer. All too often in Linux the manuals are missing.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by https on Monday April 17 2017, @11:59PM

    by https (5248) on Monday April 17 2017, @11:59PM (#495607) Journal

    He's allowed to continue because it brings Red Hat closer to their wet dream of nobody being able to run linux in an enterprise without needing their commercial support.

    Systemd quite literally has no design documentation, and it's been admitted that this is deliberate, that the APIs are a moving target.

    There are so many things wrong with systemd that it is hard work to put together a coherent critique of it, kind of like accidentally engaging with a young-earth creationist who thinks UFOs are the angel's chariots. The interaction will not be an "argument" in the canonical sense.

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  • (Score: 1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 18 2017, @12:03AM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 18 2017, @12:03AM (#495611)

    The same force that think endless mass immigration of Muslims is a good idea and that diversity is a strength while plurality of ideas ain't. I think we can call one component Open Society Foundation, another corporate self serving etc..

    By wrecking open source projects users can be herded into even worse options. The Poettwreck is likely to continue outside the Linux sphere.

    Everyone can form a mob. But some mobs have a monetary flow coming their way. So follow the money..

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 18 2017, @01:15AM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 18 2017, @01:15AM (#495629)

      Comparing Lennart to Muslims is an insult to Muslims....

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 18 2017, @02:16AM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 18 2017, @02:16AM (#495651)

        Hillary Clinton and Poettering would make the perfect running mates, always blameless, always smarter, always better than everyone else in every way.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 18 2017, @04:09PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 18 2017, @04:09PM (#495888)

          Hillary Clinton and Poettering would make the perfect running mates, always blameless, always smarter, always better than everyone else in every way.

          So, completely unlike say Trump and Torvalds?

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 18 2017, @05:25PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 18 2017, @05:25PM (#495920)

          Clinton? Really? Is your head really THAT far up your ass? We've got a guy sitting in the White House (actually, more likely sitting in Florida) who knows "way more about ISIS than the generals", still insists he had the highest turnout for his inauguration, didn't include the Democrats AT ALL on that shitshow known as the health care fix and then blamed THEM for its demise, etc., etc., etc., and this is just from the last 100 days and doesn't include the well-documented pattern of personality behavior over the last 50 years, and you pull those phrases out and apply them to Clinton??? It is the critical thinking skills of dipshits like you that got us in the crappy political situation we're in now.

          • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 18 2017, @07:10PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 18 2017, @07:10PM (#495972)

            I am still holding out hope that Trump is playing the fool on purpose and is secretly in cahoots with Clinton. What better way to do an end-run around the Republicans? Embody the caricature of bigoted misogyny so perfectly, tank the reputation of the US so hard that Republicans never recover? Make even die hard Republicans question their party's goals for fucking ONCE! Also, get all the nutters to out themselves like various users here are doing in a shockingly bold way now. Let their inner devils feel free to express themselves so we can get on with ignoring them all.

          • (Score: 2) by edIII on Tuesday April 18 2017, @10:11PM

            by edIII (791) on Tuesday April 18 2017, @10:11PM (#496046)

            To be completely fair, Hillary is a completely evil treasonous bitch that has no interests in serving anything else but the interests of the Elites and Owning Classes.

            Trump is his own shit show, but that doesn't mean Hillary wasn't the most corrupt person of all time running for Democratic office.

            It's hard to get mad at people for choosing between being neck deep in shit and having vomit thrown on you, or just ducking under into all the shit. That was the choice between Hillary and Trump; You're going to die painfully, please choose the method.

            Trump IS worse. That's why the MAJORITY of the VOTERS chose Clinton instead of Trump. Trump won with the corrupt Electoral College and now here we are. Watching the shit show and arguing in hind sight about how Hillary wasn't all that bad is fucking pointless.

            We had two corrupt evil fuckers run for office, and they divided and destroyed our country. Period.

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