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posted by on Wednesday April 19 2017, @02:28PM   Printer-friendly
from the let-'em-eat-brioche dept.

Trump is planning on signing an executive order on Tuesday that will cause a review of the H1-B program. It is just a review, and undoubtedly business interests will step up the pressure, but there are some interesting ideas:

"If you change that current system that awards visas randomly, without regard or skill or wage, to a skill-based awarding, it makes it extremely difficult to use the visa to replace or undercut American workers, because you're not bringing in workers at beneath the market wage," the official said. "So it's a very elegant way of solving systemic problems in the H-1B guest worker visa."

Breitbart of course has an article out (though it reads like they need to hire some native speaking editors) -- still, recent college grads face a huge hurdle:

The federal government releases little data on the many different guest-worker programs, but the available evidence says the national population of white-collar contract workers is up to 1.5 million. That population is roughly twice the population of 800,000 Americans who graduate from college with skilled degrees each year.

And finally, lest people forget that progressives also have issues with H1-B visas, here is Bernie Sanders (a decade ago of course) attacking this ploy to make sure money only trickles up by ensuring low wages. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR9QdQIKqMc

[Ed Note: Trump did sign the executive order at a photo op in Wisconsin.]


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 19 2017, @04:17PM (16 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 19 2017, @04:17PM (#496390)

    Thanks for Goldsmith link. This clip is less than 10 minutes.

    I only knew him as one of the most cut throat corporate raiders -- buying up the stock of companies and then either taking over or threatening management to generate short term profit & stock price increase (eg, sell branches of the company). This side of him as a member of Euro Parliament, arguing for the preservation of the old order was quite surprising (old order of the division of profits between capitol and labor).

    Seems like he had an awakening of some kind late in life?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 19 2017, @04:32PM (14 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 19 2017, @04:32PM (#496399)

    Everyone has capital, including the "laborer".

    A person's capital is any resource (time, money, labor, mind, etc.) that said person can allocate according to solely his own will. That is what capitalism is: The recognition that resources should be allocated according to voluntary interaction—there is no division between classes.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 19 2017, @04:38PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 19 2017, @04:38PM (#496404)

      Do you have any excess capital? I have a really good deal on a bridge.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by DannyB on Wednesday April 19 2017, @04:40PM (12 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday April 19 2017, @04:40PM (#496406) Journal

      The problem with that fantasy is that the laborer needs to eat in the fairly short term. The corporation that abuses them doesn't. Especially when we have a government of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations. Because corporations are people too. The corporations will find someone who will do the job for cheaper and less humane working conditions with no health care. Once the corporations all collude to treat humans this way, with the force of law behind it, there is little that laborer, or secretary, or anyone else can do.

      There is an imbalance of power here. The government has been corrupted beyond the possibility of repair. Some will disagree, but IMO we are already beyond the event horizon but just haven't recognized it yet.

      --
      People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 19 2017, @04:52PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 19 2017, @04:52PM (#496415)

        That's just it: It is not the case that government has been corrupted by the power of corporations; rather, the corporations have been corrupted by the power of government.

        See here. [soylentnews.org]

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday April 19 2017, @06:33PM

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday April 19 2017, @06:33PM (#496476) Journal

          I saw that earlier and decided then not to reply. See my reply there now.

          --
          People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 19 2017, @04:59PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 19 2017, @04:59PM (#496421)

        There is an imbalance of power here. The government has been corrupted beyond the possibility of repair. Some will disagree, but IMO we are already beyond the event horizon but just haven't recognized it yet.

        I couldn't have stated this any better. Do keep in mind that the wealth creators were never the lawyers, financiers, or rent seekers. Smart parasites never kill their hosts -- keep an eye on that event horizon as the white collar workers begin to wake up.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday April 19 2017, @05:07PM (8 children)

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Wednesday April 19 2017, @05:07PM (#496425) Journal

        The government has been corrupted beyond the possibility of repair. Some will disagree, but IMO we are already beyond the event horizon but just haven't recognized it yet.

        That's my read as well. There are only so many times in a historically short span of time that you can vote for a complete change of government, seeking fundamental change, and not get it, repeatedly, before the reality you're pointing out sinks in.

        --
        Washington DC delenda est.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 19 2017, @06:34PM (7 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 19 2017, @06:34PM (#496477)

          That's my read as well.

          Yours are the fantasies of pampered little shits who have never lived through government collapse.

          • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday April 19 2017, @06:39PM (3 children)

            by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday April 19 2017, @06:39PM (#496481) Journal

            The last thing I want to see in my lifetime is a government collapse. I simply believe it will come and is unavoidable. Fifteen years ago I realized the government was hopelessly corrupt, but believed it could be fixed. Now I no longer believe it is possible to fix.

            --
            People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
            • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 19 2017, @10:02PM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 19 2017, @10:02PM (#496581)

              I simply believe it will come and is unavoidable.

              You've heard the term, "self-fullfilling prophecy?"

              Government is fundamentally nothing more than a shared belief. If enough people believe it will collapse, then due to their inaction in response to actual crises for fear of "throwing good after bad," it will collapse. Nihilism like yours is the primary enabler of collapse.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 20 2017, @03:19AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 20 2017, @03:19AM (#496672)

                ohh nooooeeeessss! what would we do without career thieves to try to steal from us everything that makes us human! fuck those parasites. all the chicken shits who fund them are the problem.

              • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday April 20 2017, @03:09PM

                by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 20 2017, @03:09PM (#496878) Journal

                It's not self fulfilling prophecy. I think Phoenix666 (552) above said it best:

                There are only so many times in a historically short span of time that you can vote for a complete change of government, seeking fundamental change, and not get it, repeatedly, before the reality you're pointing out sinks in.

                Obama: Change we need
                Trump: Make America Great Again
                Two big changes mandated by the people, in different directions. Yet the people seem to perceive their problems are not being fixed. I'm sure the 1% behind the scenes are laughing themselves silly as the people are deeply divided, the politicians are deeply divided, and everyone is fighting each other while they make out like bandits on the back of everyone else.

                I don't have to do anything to make it all collapse. I simply have an opinion that it will. I don't want it to. But I am able to not let what I want (or what I don't want) to affect my evaluation.

                --
                People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 19 2017, @08:24PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 19 2017, @08:24PM (#496527)

            No where does he say he wants to go through a collapse. We're all scared shitless of a collapse, but we're also fed up with being serfs in a rigged game that is only getting worse every year. Also, some of us would like our planet to remain inhabitable in the long term. We have so much human capital, so many potentially talented people who could be given useful projects, but we're hamstrung by greed and the focus on capitalistic profits. No no, nothing wrong with the idea of capitalism, only with applying it 100% to society.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 19 2017, @09:08PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 19 2017, @09:08PM (#496551)

              You either have the resources to live the way you want, or you do not. It's that simple.

              The word "profit" doesn't just mean "bank balance"; money is but one way to measure profit.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 19 2017, @11:18PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 19 2017, @11:18PM (#496604)

                Highschool economics is not enough for you to enter this discussion.

  • (Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Wednesday April 19 2017, @04:39PM

    by hemocyanin (186) on Wednesday April 19 2017, @04:39PM (#496405) Journal

    It takes an hour to watch all five or six parts.