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posted by Fnord666 on Tuesday April 25 2017, @08:54PM   Printer-friendly
from the OBIPP? dept.

The Liberal premier of Ontario announced details of the Ontario Basic Income Pilot. The provincial government issued a press release saying

Three regions will take part in the study. Pilots will start in late spring in Hamilton, including Brantford and Brant County; and in Thunder Bay and the surrounding area. The third pilot will start by this fall [autumn] in Lindsay.

The Basic Income model Ontario has developed will ensure that eligible participants receive:

        Up to $16,989 per year for a single person, less 50 per cent of any earned income
        Up to $24,027 per year for a couple, less 50 per cent of any earned income
        Up to an additional $6,000 per year for a person with a disability.

[...] The three test regions will host 4,000 participants eligible to receive a basic income payment, between the ages of 18 to 64. By late spring, people in these areas will begin receiving information about the pilot and how to participate. The province is partnering with these communities and other experts to make sure that the Ontario Basic Income Pilot is fair, effective, and scientifically valid.

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Ontario is Starting a Universal Basic Income Pilot


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  • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Wednesday April 26 2017, @08:52PM (1 child)

    by jmorris (4844) on Wednesday April 26 2017, @08:52PM (#500353)

    So many things wrong with the premise it is hard to even see where to start.

    Let us begin with 'living wage.' Define it. Most of the inhabitants of Planet Earth live on a lot less than I suspect you will define the term as. Provide your logical argument for why your greatly expanded definition should be considered a requirement for someone else to provide it to you gratis.

    Now we can question your assumption that there are only Y jobs, that they come from some mysterious and unknowable place and that unless this strange power offers you a job that you are doomed to wander the wilderness as a homeless bum. No, the number of jobs is not fixed, they do not have to involve some stranger offering you money in exchange for labor. YOU can create jobs, somebody created every existing job so why can't you? And if the economic situation where you are at is truly so terrible why are you still there? Show me the graven tablets saying you have an absolute right to live exactly where you are and that if there isn't a job for you there then damnit somebody has to cut you a check!

    You are not special. You are not entitled to anything beyond Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Catching happiness is all your problem.

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  • (Score: 2) by rondon on Monday May 01 2017, @02:00PM

    by rondon (5167) on Monday May 01 2017, @02:00PM (#502262)

    I didn't define living wage, you just assumed that I did. I simply proposed it as a variable. Since you seem pretty hung up on it, lets define it as enough money to feed, house, and clothe two persons (yourself, and one child) along with transportation for one to work. This transportation could be bus, a horse, a car; whatever you want that is cost effective for the distance traveled.

    Also, I never said gratis. I never backed any type of basic income or welfare. I specifically mentioned workfare, in fact.

    I also never assumed the number of jobs was "fixed." However, at any given point in time there are X number of people and Y number of jobs. That is simply a fact. My question is, if X is substantially greater than Y, what is your solution. My long term fear is that automation is driving our society towards a state where the demand for jobs is greater than the demand for the output from those jobs, which would seem to lead to the situation where X is greater than Y.

    BTW Jmo, I have moved for work. I have taken a job outside my chosen field of study. I have done what I consider necessary to reach my definition of success. My concern is for those less fortunate than myself, and those who come after me who won't can't follow the same route I did due to the work I have done automating in my field. Your questions to me quickly display the broad brush you use to paint everyone who even so much as asks you a question.