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A father's depression has a direct effect on both internalized and externalized behavioral problems in adolescents, according to a recent study out of BYU's School of Social Work.
"Many studies look at moms who are depressed and how they impact children," Shafer said. "Very few looked at how depressed fathers influence their children. As dads become more involved in their children's lives, we thought this was an important question with significant implications for families."
The research, published last month, found that a father's depression had a direct effect on both internalized and externalized behavioral problems in adolescents. Internalizing behaviors include high levels of withdrawal, anxiety and depressed mood. Externalizing behaviors are directed outward and are associated with heightened anger and aggression. In contrast, the study also showed that maternal depression impacts kids, but in more subtle ways, since most women internalize their depression.
"Kids probably pick up on their dad's depression in ways they don't with mothers," Shafer said. "Men are more likely to show anger and frustration. Children are going to notice, and it's going to affect them."
[...] Depression is the most common mental health issue in the United States, with approximately seven percent experiencing a major depressive episode each year and nearly 20 percent experiencing it in their lifetime.
BYU is Brigham Young University
Source: BYU study finds more evidence why depressed dads should seek help
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 06 2017, @07:33PM (9 children)
Every man belongs in prison where he will be forced to donate to the sperm bank and any woman who is too lazy or stupid to succeed at a real job can pick up some sperm and become a breeder while the rest of us childless career women run the world.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday May 06 2017, @07:46PM (6 children)
You wait until those sex-dolls start going mainstream and becoming more affordable.
Attention is like crack cocaine to women -- they'll do anything for it, and they can never get enough of it. Of course, to us men, it's just this [pinimg.com] again and again whether it's discussion about handbags or being nagged about hanging out with those friends she doesn't agree with.
Men just wanna nut and roll over and watch Sportscenter or get up and go play Eve or Elder Scrolls or troll Soylentnews. Makes me wish I were born in the 24th century, where I could make a female Soong-type android complete with off-switch and foreplay-bypass circuitry.
(Score: 3, Touché) by kaszz on Saturday May 06 2017, @07:59PM (2 children)
Watch Sportscenter - no
Go play Eve or Elder Scrolls - no
Troll Soylentnews - no
Stereotype: Fail
Abort, Retry, Ignore? :-)
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday May 06 2017, @08:13PM (1 child)
Stick a dragon-dildo up your butt and rotate on it while sucking eggs?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @07:36PM
You might want to ease up on the ethanol, bro.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by looorg on Saturday May 06 2017, @09:18PM (2 children)
You wait until those sex-dolls start going mainstream and becoming more affordable.
To late. They are not even mainstream or affordable yet and the feminists are already starting to complain about them.
"Sex robots epitomize patriarchy and offer men a solution to the threat of female independence. Sex robots don’t offer men “companionship,” they offer men complete dominance."
... and they go on and on and on about how the dolls are evil, men are evil and all we want to do nothing but put women in their place and rape them for all their worth. Basically they are rape-bots and men like them cause they don't talk back and have opinions, also there was something about perky nipples and that they do things that real women can't.
http://www.feministcurrent.com/2017/04/27/sex-robots-epitomize-patriarchy-offer-men-solution-threat-female-independence/ [feministcurrent.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @12:23AM
I'll take 2. No, 3, make that 3.
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Sunday May 07 2017, @12:49AM
Huh. Real women have nipples that aren't perky? Hmm. Oh well, I guess my woman suit isn't a completely perfect replica after all!
You and that AC go get some sex bots, and I'll keep doing my thing. Let's rape the shit out of this female form!
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 06 2017, @09:03PM
Don't put them in prison. Give them the illusion of choice Matrix-style and put them in cubicles. They give bigger child support checks that way.
If you want to go pro, though, marry one who looks successful, then accuse him of rape and divorce him after he buys you a nice big house. Works every time. Other men will be stupid enough to believe you instead of the guy you just used and threw in the dumpster.
Prison is for men who refuse to play the game and service us with nice big houses and fat child support checks.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @03:18PM
Woah, too much sausage going on in this thread...
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday May 06 2017, @07:53PM
Parenting traits seen as being positive may also do harm. For example, overprotective parents; parents who never tell their kids "no" or otherwise instill discipline, parents who encourage their kids to be doctors or lawyers or engineers with total disregard of what actually interests the kid, parents who buy their kids too many toys that never get played with, parents who encourage their kids to run rather than fight, parents who bathe their kids in hand-sanitizer, parents who make their kids wear helmets while riding bikes and skateboards, parents who think it's socially acceptable for their kids to play with others a few years younger, parents who think it's socially acceptable for their kids to play with action figures unironically after the fifth-grade, parents who think it's socially acceptabl for their kids of any age to be caught playing Pokemon -- the list goes on and on.
Life is sometimes not pleasant and you're not gonna get everything you want and you're not gonna win all your battles. It seems modern parenting has become more of a job interview, all fluff and sugary-positive bullshit and little reality.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 06 2017, @07:58PM (5 children)
BYU= Mormons; Ethanol_fueled=parenting? None of this makes any sense. The obvious solution is polygamy. Keep a spare wife around for when one has just popped out another Saint.
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Saturday May 06 2017, @08:04PM (1 child)
Mormon, is that the church that believe in the RAID approach to child production and mating? ;-)
I hope they don't implement striping across wife(s). That would feel so split personality. Parts of your data in another persons body all round robin.
Now over to the Zen Fornication System, RAID not needed.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @10:18AM
Where's Snow? (Just kidding! Well, sort of.)
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday May 06 2017, @08:23PM (2 children)
To be fair, I have no kids (that I know of, at least, heh) and my dad did tell me long ago that people who have no kids have no standing to criticize the parenting of those who do.
It's a blunt and obtuse statement I actually agree with, however, a lack of standing and credibility won't keep my fat mouth shut.
(Score: 2) by frojack on Saturday May 06 2017, @10:18PM
my dad did tell me long ago that people who have no kids have no standing to criticize the parenting of those who do
Well that puts all of us in the same boat.
Even people who do have kids are socially forbidden to criticize the parenting (or lack there-of) of other people. Or even offering suggestions. The working assumption is that every other parent is doing it exactly the way they intended and their kid is turning out exactly as planned. The assumption is that every parents can loose upon society any sort of misbehaved brat they want and the rest of us have to shut up and sit down.
Truth is nobody read the manual. Nobody knows what the hell they are doing.
God forbid you try to tell your own kids how to raise their kids!! (Although I've heard its the one sure way to get your kids to stop bugging you for loans).
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Sunday May 07 2017, @06:07PM
Well then people with kids have no standing to criticize those that don't.
There are judgemental assholes on both sides.
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: 2) by Lagg on Saturday May 06 2017, @08:08PM (1 child)
I think most standup comedians would tell you that even though they don't recommend it to anyone. Their parental woes shaped them into who they are today and showed them how to deal with the world (seriously it's a weird phenomenon in standup, look at any 5). I wouldn't have children because I'm not a fan, plus i'm well aware of how my personality is. Not conducive to children. I probably have that personality because of my parents. But I'm also someone who turned out to be overall decent at life. My dad was a bible thumping heroin addict and my mom - despite us getting along very well in my adult life - was a recovering alcoholic. I honestly can't blame them for how I turned out because I think I turned out fine, and I will always love them for that.
I also have empirical proof that the opposite end of the spectrum does not result in better. For the reason above my brother was taken away from my mom by my grandparents. They felt bad for him so he got whatever he wanted. Ended up in jail at 18 for forging my grandma's checks. Stole all the time, beat on my grandparents and on one occasion my mom. I had threatened to kill him on several occasions when he got like this. Which is unfortunate because he died at the age of 24 from rolling his truck after getting hammered. This killed his friend. Meanwhile I rarely drink (love mahself a good whiskey or rum though)
I hope research like this doesn't make fundamentally shitty people create excuses for themselves. Parents are to blame for a kid's upbringing. But there are just some people that are just trash. Period.
P.S. This paywall bullshit, sauce on academic.oup.com contains nothing summary doesn't.
http://lagg.me [lagg.me] 🗿
(Score: 2, Funny) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday May 06 2017, @08:32PM
Not all clowns are sad. Some are mad (as in, insane) and others are just bored.
That being said, I bet going to church with your parents was pretty awesome:
(Sitting in the car in the church parking lot before sermon)
(Sitting on the pew during sermon)
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Saturday May 06 2017, @08:30PM (2 children)
Don't have kids. Then the damn brats won't ruin your life when they start getting pimples.
Of course, being LDS, BYU is only concerned about fixing the misery in the life of men who had an "accident" - or those who were socially pressured into producing an offspring, as is often the case in Utah. Abstinence or vasectomy isn't exactly part of their panoply of depression prevention tools.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday May 06 2017, @09:57PM (1 child)
Cheaper capitalistic solution: fire[**] all parents with depression until the morale improves.
[**] Use a machine gun for firing, it improves efficiency.
My point: where do you think this sudden epidemic of depression originates?
In a happy and productive life, with enough wages and professional satisfaction?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 06 2017, @10:25PM
It's the millennials' fault, like everything else.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Sulla on Saturday May 06 2017, @08:32PM (3 children)
Sweet, now all they need to do is make it criminal. Lets make a link between depression and child abuse so that we can see some warning signs.
Get pissed off because someone fucked up at work? Possible anger due to depression
Working in the shed and drop something on your foot? Self harm due to depression
Better take the kids away before they learn anything bad. I'm sure at some point DHS will come for mine because I took away a toy they were fighting over and caused emotional damage.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 06 2017, @10:01PM (1 child)
I wonder if people who are paranoid about DHS taking their kids away tend to be more abusive. I know my folks were like that, which I why I don't speak to them anymore.
(Score: 2) by Sulla on Sunday May 07 2017, @01:23AM
I worked for DHS at the state level. Overall I don't have any real complaints in my state about them in regards to the standards for removing a kid from a house. I am more concerned about the changing attitudes of the general population when it comes to what is and what is not acceptable.
That said as a DHS employee if someone reports any suspicious activity about you (up to and including spanking a kid for crossing the street) it triggers immediate firing. The agency must be above suspicion. But I lived in a pretty far left state at the time.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 1) by tftp on Saturday May 06 2017, @10:46PM
One of many excellent reasons to not have kids in the modern world.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 06 2017, @11:18PM (1 child)
the doctors are fucking rats who work for the pigs in government. anything you tell them goes in your slave file. fuck that.
(Score: 2) by GungnirSniper on Sunday May 07 2017, @05:26AM
Don't forget your insurance company "helping improve the quality of your care" by having all of your records assimilated into your Primary Care's electronic medical records.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @01:19AM (1 child)
And non-dad depressed males shouldn't? Why is one's parenthood status even a consideration, depressed people should get help period.
(Score: 2) by KiloByte on Sunday May 07 2017, @01:59PM
And non-dad depressed males shouldn't?
Well, having pooping screaming creatures around you is a major cause of depression, so dads are a group that's more affected.
Ceterum censeo systemd esse delendam.
(Score: 2, Redundant) by mcgrew on Sunday May 07 2017, @03:36PM
I've never seen so much useless trolling on S/N! I only read half the comments; none were anywhere near on topic. EF has trolled S/N spectacularly. Anybody who bit that filthy troll should be ashamed of themselves.
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