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posted by n1 on Sunday May 07 2017, @08:03AM   Printer-friendly
from the british-values dept.

The BBC has a story about government plant to introduce a new law to allow real-time snooping of British Internet users' activity.

The law would demand a very minimal level of judicial oversight (a judge appointed by the Prime Minister) and the approval of politicians (secretaries of state) so the protection against politically-motivated abuse is effectively nil.

Furthermore, the law will effectively require that backdoors be built into encryption protocols to permit the reading of data on demand.

The news has not been widely publicised by the government, and most people are occupied with Brexit at the moment, so it has not been very well noticed.


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  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @08:22AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @08:22AM (#505762)

    Queue up the PM porn.

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    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @10:14AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @10:14AM (#505791)

      It has been a privilege to serve the people of Maidenhead since 1997 as your Member of Parliament.

  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @09:29AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @09:29AM (#505775)

    Who would trust a Brit, anyway? They need to be spied on! Take your eyes off of them for a minute, and they'll be colonizing somewhere.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @09:48AM (12 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @09:48AM (#505780)

    Furthermore, the law will effectively require that backdoors be built into encryption protocols to permit the reading of data on demand.

    Why are people in government so stupid?

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday May 07 2017, @09:58AM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday May 07 2017, @09:58AM (#505788) Homepage Journal

      Possibly, because they don't understand the English language. The believe that "govern" is entirely synonymous with "control". A "governor" is synonymous with "martinet".

      --
      Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @11:57AM (9 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @11:57AM (#505807)

      Who was so smart to vote for them?

      Seriously though. Some are stupid, some are uninformed, some are there for their own ego and some want to profit (not serve the country)... of what's left most decide to not go into the government, leaving only a very few that actually contribute... often in opposition.

      Here in The Netherlands every year there is a report on politicians involved in shady businesses (even if it doesn't make it into the news), per party. The parties that have most of these politicians are often the ruling parties. The Panama papers showed the same for various other countries.

      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by kaszz on Sunday May 07 2017, @01:45PM

        by kaszz (4211) on Sunday May 07 2017, @01:45PM (#505829) Journal

        People will vote for whatever the Television tells them to or their Facebook streams hypnotize them into. Need to solve that problem before democracy can have a revival.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @02:50PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @02:50PM (#505841)

        "Make a success of Brexit"
        "Strong Leadership"
        "Falklands"
        "Ra ra ra!"

        That should do it for convincing most of the country.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @07:18PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @07:18PM (#505950)

        Who was so smart to vote for them?

        The English?

        • (Score: 2) by turgid on Sunday May 07 2017, @09:23PM (3 children)

          by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Sunday May 07 2017, @09:23PM (#505992) Journal

          And they're about to return them to power for another five years with a landslide on 8th June.

          • (Score: 1) by purple_cobra on Monday May 15 2017, @03:14PM (2 children)

            by purple_cobra (1435) on Monday May 15 2017, @03:14PM (#510050)

            The Greens are trying their best to push forward the idea of a "progressive alliance", aka the ABC (Anyone But the Conservatives) principle but the Labour party, as tribal as ever, won't go for it; the only takeaway I have from that is that they're not serious about improving the lot of the non-rich, only about getting into power, a risible choice given the hostile press/media. Labour under Corbyn have been painted as somewhere to the left of Karl Marx, yet a brief look at the political positions of mainstream European politics show them to be pretty much textbook social democratic.
            Much has been made of May's recent announcement to allow workers up to a year off to care for sick relatives. Buried in the small print is that this would be unpaid, so the ones who would benefit from such a measure - anyone who can't afford to hire people to look after a sick relative - would be unable to take advantage of it as they'd have no salary coming in. It's very much pro-business, which in and of itself I have no issue with, but is also profoundly anti-worker, something that means I could never vote Conservative.
            If all the people who normally don't bother to vote actually get themselves registered, get their vote cast and vote for the non-Conservative alternative in their area, damn near every single Tory would be out of a seat. Apathy is what'll gift them the election, not belief that they're policies are good for the country.

            • (Score: 3, Interesting) by turgid on Monday May 15 2017, @07:53PM (1 child)

              by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 15 2017, @07:53PM (#510200) Journal

              The Greens are trying their best to push forward the idea of a "progressive alliance", aka the ABC (Anyone But the Conservatives) principle but the Labour party, as tribal as ever, won't go for it;

              Which is a shame.

              the only takeaway I have from that is that they're not serious about improving the lot of the non-rich, only about getting into power

              They're also a "unionist" party, in that they believe in the continuity of the United Kingdom. At the moment, of course, the SNP have nearly all of the Scottish seats in the Commons, and the SNP are effectively Social Democrats too. The Liberal Democrats have ruled out an alliance with the SNP, for similar reasons. The result is that the pro-Union Scots are rallying around the Conservative Party while the SNP retains a huge following and Labour and the Liberal Democrats will probably be wiped out there. It's interesting to note that the Scottish Greens are pro-independence.

              a risible choice given the hostile press/media.

              Agreed.

              Labour under Corbyn have been painted as somewhere to the left of Karl Marx, yet a brief look at the political positions of mainstream European politics show them to be pretty much textbook social democratic.

              Indeed. I'm thinking about voting for them this time around. I live in England in a "safe" Conservative seat, and I usually vote for progressive parties, even though they'll never get in power. I vote to show support for their policies, which over the course of 20-30 years tend to trickle down into the mainstream.

              This time I will probably be voting Labour because, as you say, they are pretty much textbook social democratic. I agree with the majority of their new policies. Not only that, this country is at a turning point where we risk plunging into a fascist police state with no opposition. It is important to resist the Conservatives as strongly as possible. The only way to unseat my Conservative MP is by voting Labour. [tactical2017.com]. I also think that Corbyn is a breath of fresh air in this increasingly cynical world.

              Much has been made of May's recent announcement to allow workers up to a year off to care for sick relatives. Buried in the small print is that this would be unpaid, so the ones who would benefit from such a measure - anyone who can't afford to hire people to look after a sick relative - would be unable to take advantage of it as they'd have no salary coming in. It's very much pro-business, which in and of itself I have no issue with, but is also profoundly anti-worker, something that means I could never vote Conservative.

              Absolutely. It's yet another piece of cynical Conservative electioneering designed to appeal to the slow of wit and selfish. It's very bad for society.

              If all the people who normally don't bother to vote actually get themselves registered, get their vote cast and vote for the non-Conservative alternative in their area, damn near every single Tory would be out of a seat. Apathy is what'll gift them the election, not belief that they're policies are good for the country.

              Are you mad? There's XBox One to be played and Netflix to be watched [wikipedia.org].

              • (Score: 2, Informative) by purple_cobra on Thursday May 18 2017, @08:31PM

                by purple_cobra (1435) on Thursday May 18 2017, @08:31PM (#511817)

                Fairly safe Labour seat here (majority was >6k in 2015, IIRC) and the local MP isn't a bad sort at all, but I'll be voting Labour nevertheless; as you say, Corbyn is a pleasant change and having a manifesto that has some figures attached to it was good to see. Have any of the tabloids pulled-up the Conservatives for the nastier parts of their manifesto (dementia tax, FFS) or the fact that there's little to no costing? Of course not! Where my family live is another safe Labour seat, albeit with an MP who's a bit of a tool. Two down several hundred to go!

      • (Score: 2) by Wootery on Monday May 08 2017, @08:36AM

        by Wootery (2341) on Monday May 08 2017, @08:36AM (#506247)

        Who was so smart to vote for them?

        Both the Labour and Conservative parties have terrible track records when it comes to idiotic ideas on regulating tech.

        We even have to opt-out of the government selling our personal details to companies, including for the purpose of 'direct marketing'. [ico.org.uk]

    • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Sunday May 07 2017, @02:53PM

      by kaszz (4211) on Sunday May 07 2017, @02:53PM (#505842) Journal

      Why are people in government so stupid?

      Don't attribute to stupidity what can be explained with malice..

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @04:33PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @04:33PM (#505885)

    To provide and maintain the capability to disclose, where practicable, the content of
    communications or secondary data in an intelligible form and to remove electronic protection
    applied by or on behalf of the telecommunications operator to the communications or data, or to
    permit the person to whom the warrant is addressed to remove such electronic protection.

    Anyone know what a 'telecommunications operator' is? Because I'd be surprised if it meant telecommunications operator.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @07:43PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @07:43PM (#505956)

      Anyone know what a 'telecommunications operator' is? Because I'd be surprised if it meant telecommunications operator.

      From the relevant Act..Investigatory Powers Act 2016 [legislation.gov.uk], Part9, Chapter 2, Section 10(a)

      (10) “Telecommunications operator” means a person who—

      • (a) offers or provides a telecommunications service to persons in the
        United Kingdom, or
      • (b) controls or provides a telecommunication system which is (wholly or
        partly)—
        • (i) in the United Kingdom, or
        • (ii) controlled from the United Kingdom.

      And the document has legal definitions of 'telecommunications service' and 'telecommunication system' for you to peruse..

      (Good luck trying to force foreign entities in nominally 'hostile' countries e.g. Yandex into complying with Part9, Section 10(a) there...)

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @08:13PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @08:13PM (#505969)

        Thanks for finding that for my lazy self, for anyone else wondering here's the definition of a Telecommunication system, this looks like it does cover stuff like Signal.

        “Telecommunication system” means a system (including the apparatus comprised in it) that exists (whether wholly or partly in the United Kingdom or elsewhere) for the purpose of facilitating the transmission of communications by any means involving the use of electrical or electromagnetic energy.

        From http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2016/25/section/261/enacted [legislation.gov.uk]

        NB: I may well have mucked up and found the wrong definition since IANAL.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @08:29PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @08:29PM (#505972)

          ..NB: I may well have mucked up and found the wrong definition since IANAL.

          Heh, as you can tell from the document, the intention is to make the whole process as opaque as possible to anyone who isn't a Lawyer...

  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @09:49PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 07 2017, @09:49PM (#506002)

    Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936)

    At Runnymede, at Runnymede,
    What say the reeds at Runnymede?
    The lissom reeds that give and take,
    That bend so far, but never break,
    They keep the sleepy Thames awake
    With tales of John at Runnymede.

    At Runnymede, at Runnymede,
    Oh, hear the reeds at Runnymede:
    'You musn't sell, delay, deny,
    A freeman's right or liberty.
    It wakes the stubborn Englishry,
    We saw 'em roused at Runnymede!

    When through our ranks the Barons came,
    With little thought of praise or blame,
    But resolute to play the game,
    They lumbered up to Runnymede;
    And there they launched in solid line
    The first attack on Right Divine,
    The curt uncompromising "Sign!'
    They settled John at Runnymede.

    At Runnymede, at Runnymede,
    Your rights were won at Runnymede!
    No freeman shall be fined or bound,
    Or dispossessed of freehold ground,
    Except by lawful judgment found
    And passed upon him by his peers.
    Forget not, after all these years,
    The Charter signed at Runnymede.'

    And still when mob or Monarch lays
    Too rude a hand on English ways,
    The whisper wakes, the shudder plays,
    Across the reeds at Runnymede.
    And Thames, that knows the moods of kings,
    And crowds and priests and suchlike things,
    Rolls deep and dreadful as he brings
    Their warning down from Runnymede!

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 08 2017, @01:19AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 08 2017, @01:19AM (#506105)

    they must be dealt with now before it's too late. they are building a system of total control and domination with your money. you have to attack now while you still can. yea, take your bats and sticks and attack!

    • (Score: 2) by Wootery on Monday May 08 2017, @08:38AM

      by Wootery (2341) on Monday May 08 2017, @08:38AM (#506249)

      Is this a dig at the UK's gun-control success?

      Because widespread guns are doing a great job keeping things sane across the pond, right?

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