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posted by mrpg on Saturday May 13 2017, @11:58AM   Printer-friendly
from the of-course dept.

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The Dakota Access pipeline already had its first leak – 84 gallons of oil – at a pump station in South Dakota in early April, sparking outrage and calling into question its environmental safety.

[...] The report of the spill can be found on the Department of Environmental and Natural Resources website. The agency apparently did not make any official announcement on the incident as it was relatively minor and had no environmental impact, according to Brian Walsh, a scientist with the department, as cited by the Guardian. The site "was cleaned up right away," the official added as quoted by ABC news.

The spill occurred less than 110 miles from Lake Oahe, which supplies Sioux tribes with water.

Source: Dakota Access pipeline suffers oil leak even before becoming operational


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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Sunday May 14 2017, @04:37AM (6 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday May 14 2017, @04:37AM (#509347) Journal
    Well, what happened? A very minor leak with no contamination of the environment? Here, we make light of a light event.

    And why do American Indians deserve more respect for their water than anyone else does with their water? Let us keep in mind that Bismarck with a population more than ten times as big (with I might add, a population of American Indians half as large as Standing Rock) was on the other route considered by the Army Corps of Engineers. This peculiar warped sense of priorities isn't new [soylentnews.org], but we still have the same problems. You want us to make decisions that according to your viewpoint would harm more than an order of magnitude more people because some ethnic group had tough luck in the past.
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  • (Score: 2) by jasassin on Sunday May 14 2017, @04:46AM (5 children)

    by jasassin (3566) <jasassin@gmail.com> on Sunday May 14 2017, @04:46AM (#509354) Journal

    And why do American Indians deserve more respect for their water than anyone else does with their water?

    You don't have it, you can't even buy it, and you just don't get it.

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    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Sunday May 14 2017, @05:07AM (4 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday May 14 2017, @05:07AM (#509359) Journal
      Funny how bad the arguments against this pipeline are. I'll take your complaint seriously when you take the many benefits of the pipeline seriously.

      One thing that repeatedly gets ignored by the anti-pipeline side is that the pipeline owners played by the rules when constructing and now operating the pipeline. The Standing Rock reservation has a right to demand and see to it via lawsuits that those upstream from it obey existing and future law and regulation. It and its residents has the right to protest for any reason even if the pipeline owners are legally complying with all law and regulation. But it doesn't have the right to control what is done upstream from the reservation.

      In order for the pipeline to be built and used, it will add risk to someone's water supply and this route drew the short straw (perhaps, let us note, with the deliberate contrivance of the Obama administration which decided the actual route through federal land!). Sure, it's unfair, but it's not that unfair.

      My view is that having rules and following them is a much better approach to this than touchie feelie ethnic debt.
      • (Score: 2) by jasassin on Sunday May 14 2017, @06:38AM (1 child)

        by jasassin (3566) <jasassin@gmail.com> on Sunday May 14 2017, @06:38AM (#509377) Journal

        It and its residents has the right to protest for any reason even if the pipeline owners are legally complying with all law and regulation.

        Tell that to all the Native Americans that were drug out of the protest and arrested. I live in Sioux Falls South Dakota, I witnessed this happening. You are one of them. I don't need a pair of patented Hoffman lenses to see you.

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        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday May 14 2017, @08:05AM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday May 14 2017, @08:05AM (#509389) Journal

          Tell that to all the Native Americans that were drug out of the protest and arrested.

          The right to protest doesn't give you the right to trespass.

          I live in Sioux Falls South Dakota, I witnessed this happening.

          So what? I witnessed it happening on YouTube. Witnessing something doesn't make it right.

          You are one of them. I don't need a pair of patented Hoffman lenses to see you.

          So you're now partitioning the world into those who agree with you and the enemy. Strong indication that you are wrong.

      • (Score: 2) by jasassin on Sunday May 14 2017, @06:49AM (1 child)

        by jasassin (3566) <jasassin@gmail.com> on Sunday May 14 2017, @06:49AM (#509381) Journal

        Please tell me the benefits of this pipeline. 30 maintenance jobs. Hmmm.. All the oil exported from the gulf to be shipped to China for refinery. Oh please enlighten me.

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        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday May 14 2017, @08:29AM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday May 14 2017, @08:29AM (#509393) Journal

          Please tell me the benefits of this pipeline. 30 maintenance jobs. Hmmm.. All the oil exported from the gulf to be shipped to China for refinery. Oh please enlighten me.

          Let's consider these really obvious benefits which you apparently can't see. First, the oil didn't magically come out of the ground. There are plenty of jobs involved in pulling it out of the ground which are being supported here. IIRC, we're looking at increasing the oil shipped out of the Dakota region by about 50%. Second, there's nothing magical about this oil that requires it to be shipped to China to be refined. In fact, the whole point of shipping it to the Gulf Coast as opposed to shipping it to the West Coast is to take advantage of the infrastructure and markets there, such as refineries and the biggest developed world market for oil. Third, to continue on the previous observation, the whole China export propaganda is completely unfounded. It is interesting how when I google around, I see so many unsubstantiated assertions without even the slightest attempt at justification.

          Fourth, even if it were precisely as you say, that would be bettering the lives of a billion Chinese and supporting a global trade network - people don't move oil around just because they hate Mother Earth.