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The Dakota Access pipeline already had its first leak – 84 gallons of oil – at a pump station in South Dakota in early April, sparking outrage and calling into question its environmental safety.
[...] The report of the spill can be found on the Department of Environmental and Natural Resources website. The agency apparently did not make any official announcement on the incident as it was relatively minor and had no environmental impact, according to Brian Walsh, a scientist with the department, as cited by the Guardian. The site "was cleaned up right away," the official added as quoted by ABC news.
The spill occurred less than 110 miles from Lake Oahe, which supplies Sioux tribes with water.
Source: Dakota Access pipeline suffers oil leak even before becoming operational
(Score: 2) by edIII on Monday May 15 2017, @10:38PM (2 children)
Noted.
I don't think that is helping, but your point is taken. As one of the protestors though, I've ditched ICE for EVs... TWICE at great expense to myself. I was an early adopter for the primary reason to help EVs in the market succeed. While I understand what you are saying, that can be applied to almost all protesting and movements right now. Yes, there is some hypocrisy.
Pipelines are not safer. With an oil tanker there is a finite amount of oil to spill, and the same is true with the railcar. Without irises and proper emergency routines, an oil pipeline can lose orders of magnitude greater oil into the environment. You cannot compare the environmental disaster of railcars versus pipelines.
That being said, pipelines *might* be safer if they actually took some of the measures they talk about, and then published the diagnostics and values to the state each night which can be publicly reviewed. We already collect quite a bit of oil and gas data that is publicly available for transparency purposes. The interesting stuff is still of course trade secret and a National Security matter.
They don't do what they say they will do, or even what they can do. There are companies that specialize in protecting the pipes and go on, and on, and on, about the high tech MRI they do on the pipelines and how can they can tell when something is going to go wrong. Problem is that this tech costs money and you and me damn well fucking know what happens when executive hell bound scum needs to decide between profits and what they should be doing about things that *might* happen. Unless it is 100% guaranteed to happen, those pieces of shit won't do ANYTHING.
People who wonder why we need so many damn regulations need to look at the behavior and morally bankrupt culture of the Owning Class and the executives.
In REALITY, pipelines are not safer. Only on paper, and only in a world where people are more like Federation citizens.
You have a good point. I didn't know about these people, nor have I heard anything before. I do care though, and I support whatever efforts they make towards proper restitution and good stewardship of the land.
Irrelevant. It's sovereign land from what I understand, and governed by treaties the U.S made with the Sioux. You can claim NIMBY just fine, but the Sioux still have ironclad rights to refuse it. The U.S has violated a treaty by doing what they did. Period.
Also, the pipeline doesn't help anyone in the U.S! This is so that Canadians can sell their oil through us. Only some rich fuckers in the oil industry really get any benefit. It would be one thing if this was a huge economic boon to the area and country, worth the risks of a pipeline, but it isn't.
Ohh, everything is now. Populist rage and dissent is now used to get people upset at an email, take a fake survey that leads the reader to conclusions, and then at the end.... "Oh, boy, are you as pissed as we are?! Gimme $5 and we can continue to be pissed together". The surveys are not even written to make sense, and sometimes the answers don't even match the question!
All of that being said, the Sioux still deserve support, and that pipeline needs to be destroyed. Ohhh, and this thing wasn't a leak, or anything that can be used against the evil scum that own DAPL either. 84 gallons is a fucking joke. That is already operationally accounted for if it were a pumping station. "Zero environmental impact". I believe them. I've seen worse laying on the ground while drilling a well. Does any one of them know what a 55 gallon barrel looks like? This wasn't even two of them, and I've seen the ground around a well being drilled having at least 100-200 gallons of oil spilled for dozens of feet around it. You lose MORE oil just drilling a successful oil well and capping it :)
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday May 16 2017, @10:53AM (1 child)
I appreciate that you were protesting there. Few people on these things put their money where their mouth is. It's also admirable that you practice what you preach by eliminating your personal consumption of fossil fuels.
"Violating a treaty with the sovereign Sioux," though, is not something to get the blood pumping. If a person wanted to get upset about treaties the US has violated lately, I'd say the one banning torture would rank much higher. Nobody cares how many treaties the US govt has broken with Indians. It's sad, but it's a historical fact. Getting bent out of shape about it now is like getting upset that people drive faster than the speed limit--technically you're right, but nobody cares.
Worrying about oil spills in western North Dakota and eastern South Dakota, also, is nothing to get worked up about. That part of South Dakota is not terrible, but it's still pretty marginal land. And the part of North Dakota that is is the most godawful worthless stretch of nothing I've ever been to on Earth. An oil spill would give you something, dear god gimme anything, to look at there. It's the one place for millions of square miles that you're actually grateful for the endless stream of billboards for Wall Drug, because they give you a respite from having to look at the scenery.
And if it's a matter of sticking it to the Man, we'd all be much better off disintermediating their systems of control than wasting time and energy on the cynical PR exercise this is.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by edIII on Tuesday May 16 2017, @09:51PM
Actually, somebody does really care and get upset about it. John McCain, although perhaps the other way.
The information I have about treaties, sovereignty, and the difficulty it places on the U.S government comes directly from him and his lamentations about dealing with border security and the Native American Indians that in actuality control 70 miles of the South Western border where the wall will go. It was McCain lamenting about how hard it was, and still is, to negotiate or get anything done. Those Native American Indians stoutly refuse all previous attempts at walls almost solely based on good stewardship of the land. McCain still supports the Native American Indians though explicitly on the grounds that the U.S must preserve its honor, and therefore honor their treaties. I don't like his security hawk bullshit, but I can greatly appreciate him for that.
Other than that, I can see your point about how it's not the battle to pick. Still, it's my battle to pick on a personal level.
That is an excellent point, although I disagree with the level of cynicism. Also one of the reasons I get so worked up about it, is that Middle Class is not benefiting whatsoever from it, and neither is the poor. Only the Koch brothers are really seeing any money out of this. As far as I'm concerned, this is their personal pork barrel project that they are using corrupt government to ram down our throats.
Fighting the man in this case also does mean fighting the Koch brothers and their self-serving anti-American ways. Anytime I can fight the Owning Class, I do.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.