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Devuan just released their LTS stable Jessie system:
Devuan GNU+Linux is a fork of Debian without systemd. The latest 1.0.0 Jessie release (LTS) marks an important milestone towards the sustainability and the continuation of Devuan as a universal base distribution. Since the Exodus declaration in 2014, infrastructure has been put in place to support Devuan's mission to offer users control over their system. Devuan Jessie provides continuity as a safe upgrade path from Debian 7 (Wheezy) and a flawless switch from Debian 8 (Jessie) that ensures the right to Init Freedom and avoids entanglement.
And if getting it has to be a secret, check out http://devuanzuwu3xoqwp.onion
-- hendrik
[See also the Devuan 1.0.0 stable release (LTS) announcement for more information on how to install/upgrade, the support services that are available (bug tracking/reporting, user forums, etc.) --martyb]
(Score: 5, Informative) by MadTinfoilHatter on Friday May 26 2017, @09:24AM (3 children)
Then do yourself a favor and try it again. You're quite right - the alpha version was quite immature. That shouldn't be a huge surprise for alpha-quality software. Ever since the beta-phase, it's been entirely usable, and right now it's as stable as they come.
From the Devuan RC2 release notes:
See this [dyne.org] for details.
The definition of "complete" could naturally be a matter of debate, but in my opinion it's quite complete. I might be trying out KDE later, because I still prefer it to Xfce (even though they seem to do their best to completely f*** up KDE at every major release and take a long time to bring it back to usability).
(Score: 3, Interesting) by KritonK on Friday May 26 2017, @10:23AM (1 child)
Just finished booting devuan 1.0.
A quick look at the installed packages shows that there is a libsystemd0 package, containing libsystemd.so.0, so to answer my first question, there do seem to be some systemd dependencies left. Process 1 is init, however, so devuan's only got a bit of systemd in it.
Regarding "complete" distributions, I would define them as distributions that support all linux software, either out of the box for major software (which would include all major desktop environments) or via third party repositories.
I had forgotten that bit about glitches with gnome and KDE, which they'd mentioned in the beta release. Unfortunately, having tried all sorts of desktops, I keep returning to KDE, even though, as you say, they keep trying to ruin it. This means that I need it to be as stable as possible, so I wouldn't go with a distribution where it is known that KDE is glitchy. (I dumped Fedora, which I'd been using for years, because of this, as KDE 5 kept crashing left and right there.)
KDE 4 seemed rock solid in devuan alpha, and much much faster than KDE 5 in Fedora on a similar VM, so I'm surprised that they stopped offering it.
Anyway, I'll definitely be keeping an eye on devuan, especially to see if there will be any rpm-based distributions based on their work, as I come from that side of the force.
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Saturday May 27 2017, @06:17PM
As I understand it, libsystemd0 is a library of stubs that report, using the proper mechanisms, that the requested systemd feature is not available. It therefore provides just as much interface as is necessary for packages that check at run time whether they are going to do things the systemd way or the traditional way.
It's a convenience to upstream developers to make it easy to let their software be used on both systemd and nonsystemd systems.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by bart9h on Friday May 26 2017, @06:49PM
I've been using it on my desktop since Alpha 1, and never had a problem.
Then again, my desktop environment of choice is MATE.