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posted by cmn32480 on Sunday June 11 2017, @06:36PM   Printer-friendly
from the just-look-at-the-comments-below dept.

NASA chief scientist weighs in

Americans are "under siege" from disinformation designed to confuse the public about the threat of climate change, Nasa's former chief scientist has said.

Speaking to the Guardian, Ellen Stofan, who left the US space agency in December, said that a constant barrage of half-truths had left many Americans oblivious to the potentially dire consequences of continued carbon emissions, despite the science being unequivocal.

"We are under siege by fake information that's being put forward by people who have a profit motive," she said, citing oil and coal companies as culprits. "Fake news is so harmful because once people take on a concept it's very hard to dislodge it."

During the past six months, the US science community has woken up to this threat, according to Stofan, and responded by ratcheting up efforts to communicate with the public at the grassroots level as well as in the mainstream press.

"The harder part is this active disinformation campaign," she said before her appearance at Cheltenham Science Festival this week. "I'm always wondering if these people honestly believe the nonsense they put forward. When they say 'It could be volcanoes' or 'the climate always changes'... to obfuscate and to confuse people, it frankly makes me angry."

Stofan added that while "fake news" is frequently characterised as a problem in the right-leaning media, she saw evidence of an "erosion of people's ability to scrutinise information" across the political spectrum. "All of us have a responsibility," she said. "There's this attitude of 'I read it on the internet therefore it must be true'."

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 11 2017, @07:03PM (11 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 11 2017, @07:03PM (#523897)

    Well then, be prepared to lose *YOUR* vote; but that's ok, right?

    It always surprises me that people who argue for exclusion always argue from the point of view that /they/ will remain in the group of the powerful. They never seem to grasp that -looking back at our history- it will backfire and they will find themselves in the out-group at some point instead...

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 11 2017, @07:07PM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 11 2017, @07:07PM (#523898)

    Try again.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 11 2017, @08:37PM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 11 2017, @08:37PM (#523921)

      Sorry, bub. When you say that poor peoples' vote shouldn't count, you are making precisely that argument, with the full expectation that you will be on the 'right' side of the line. So, really, you can bugger off!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 11 2017, @09:05PM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 11 2017, @09:05PM (#523929)

        Your replies are a case in point on the matter of people being unable to scrutinize info!

        Nobody said anything about who should be allowed to vote; rather, the other AC is simply pointing out the nature of decision-making—why democratic decision-making is ridiculous, and why capitalistic decision-making is inherently more sophisticated, fine-grained, expressive, and likely to be profitable for society at large.

        Hint: The other AC puts "vote" in quotes for a reason; it doesn't have anything to do with attaching wealth to the voting within the current democratic system. Get it, yet?

        • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Sunday June 11 2017, @10:04PM (1 child)

          by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Sunday June 11 2017, @10:04PM (#523982) Homepage
          > Hint: The other AC

          Is you. There aren't 2 ACs in agreement with each other, there's merely one who likes to support his arguments by pretending to be someone else supporting his arguments.

          So sad.
          --
          Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 11 2017, @10:09PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 11 2017, @10:09PM (#523987)

            Whether or not that AC is the same person, the argument should stand on its own—it doesn't matter how many people agree or disagree with it.

            More to the point, though, it's difficult to identify various comments quickly when everyone is named "AC", so I see no problem in treating separate comments as separate people.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 11 2017, @10:04PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 11 2017, @10:04PM (#523983)

          Read it yourself: That is why democracy is a terrible idea; it gives equal voices to unequal people.

          He wants the rich to have more say. Totally bogus...

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 11 2017, @10:32PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 11 2017, @10:32PM (#523995)

          The sheer amount of cluelessness with "capitalist democracy" is staggering.

        • (Score: 1) by redneckmother on Monday June 12 2017, @05:51PM

          by redneckmother (3597) on Monday June 12 2017, @05:51PM (#524536)

          ... capitalistic decision-making is inherently more sophisticated, fine-grained, expressive, and likely to be profitable for society at large.

          s/society at large/a handful of powerful, rich individuals/

          That's not to say the a simple democracy is necessarily good:
          "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb debating on what to eat."

          That's why the rule of law is important.

          --
          Mas cerveza por favor.
  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Aiwendil on Sunday June 11 2017, @08:28PM (2 children)

    by Aiwendil (531) on Sunday June 11 2017, @08:28PM (#523919) Journal

    Well then, be prepared to lose *YOUR* vote; but that's ok, right?

    Quick: Hillary or Trump which do you want to vote for?

    If either then I can see why you are trying that argument, but if neither the vote is de facto already lost.

    I did it US-centric above but I have the same issue here in sweden - out of the seven or eight big parties I don't want any of them to be in power and I consider all of them to be directly harmful to the country - and since we don't assign seats to blank votes I currently have de facto lost my vote due to the sheeple.

    Just pointing out that unless you agree with the mainstream your vote is already lost and your argument is a wash.

    (As an aside - I wouldn't mind losing my vote if we instead replaced the system with either meritocracy* or by demanding that people had to be educated in relevant areas to vote - at worst it would be more effecient as now and at best we would at least get rid of all the political spam.
    * = however, have a meritocracy for the nominations for the seats in a party and I'd be interested in voting)

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 11 2017, @09:16PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 11 2017, @09:16PM (#523945)

      There's a lot of parties in Sweden that too few people vote for:

      De nya svenskarna (DPNS)
              Direktdemokraterna
              Djurens parti (DjuP)
              Djurägarpartiet (Däp)
              Enhet (ENH)
              Europeiska arbetarpartiet (EAP)
              Feministiskt initiativ (F!/FI/Fi) - har ett mandat i Europaparlamentet
              Framstegspartiet
              Fredsdemokraterna
              Frihetliga rättvisepartiet (FRP)
              Gula partiet (Gup)
              Humandemokraterna (HumDe)
              Hälsopartiet
              Högerpartiet de konservativa
              Klassiskt liberala partiet (KLP)
              Kristna värdepartiet (KrVP)
              Landsbygdspartiet oberoende (LBPO)
              Nya partiet
              Piratpartiet (PP)
              Reformist neutral partiet (RNP)
              Republikanerna
              Rättvisepartiet socialisterna (RS)
              Skånepartiet (SKÅ)
              SPI Välfärden (SPI)
              Svenskarnas parti (SvP)
              Sveriges kommunistiska parti (SKP)
              Vägvalet (VägV)
              Borgerlig framtid, 2014
              Cannabispartiet
              Försvarspartiet
              Gröna partiet
              Medborgerlig Samling
              Ny framtid
              Partiet de fria
              Riktiga Sverige
              Socialliberalerna
              Spritpartiet
              Steg 3
              Sverigesmultidemokrater

      To eliminate ignorant votes. One could have three questions on the ballot with multiple tick boxes which is then OCR scanned. Only correctly answered questions will make the ballot valid.

      The Schweitzer constitution with citizens initiative to vote in specific matters at anytime is also quite interesting. Maybe something to follow? but then powers that are will not like that. After all the current system is electing a dictator for 4 years. And parties only needs to delude voters for some weeks ahead of the election. After that they can give a shit.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 11 2017, @10:39PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 11 2017, @10:39PM (#523998)

      Find similiar voiced people, and rather than trying to fight the system in a country full of idiots, go found your own country somewhere else.

      We are at a point in human history that, while all land anywhere on the planet, is claimed, we have the technological means to recruit people and found nations in places never before accessable. Do that and gather mindshare for your newfound country, and you help influence your father or motherland by showing them a more successful way to live or govern.

      If you aren't willing to do that, then now is the time to sit down, shut up, and act like a good little cog in the system you've chosen to enslave yourself within.